“Fair enough, but all methods of animal slaughter are just as cruel (or certainly have the potential to be). Either be a vegan or accept that some animals may meet their end in an undesirable way. Do you eat eggs from battery hens? Non free range meat? Just as bad.”

“Be honest Heather, the real issue is that you just don't like Asians, isn't it. Ew.”

“Actually the issue, if there is one, is legislative. There are few laws (in the UK) to protect animals slaughtered in halal or kosher methods, whilst there are lots of laws to protect animals in more (or actually less) traditional abbatoirs. Of course, that doesn't prove that all western style abbotoirs are good. They clearly aren't. And it doesn't prove all halal or kosher abbotoirs are bad. They most certainly aren't. But clarification in law can only be a good thing. Animals should be treated in the most respectful and humane way it is possible to achieve.
But not sure what that's got to do with kids speaking street slang.”

“@Chuck
I meant that Heather's motivation for posting has more to do with her dislike of Asian people than with genuine concern over Halal butchery, as her other posts attest.

"But not sure what that's got to do with kids speaking street slang."
I know. Racists like Iftikhar tend not to have a very strong grasp of logic and argumentation. We should not be surprised at his frequent lapses into non-sequitur.

I agree with the rest of what you say; very fair-minded.”

“@ Chuck - That last bit cracked me up!

And as for the kids speaking street slang, we all know what speaking "Posh" is, so it is your own fault if you choose to speak using slang words or use proper English. Instead of the teachers having to correct a pupil every time they use slang words, why don't the pupils listen to how the teacher speaks and learn by example? I believe we make our own way in life and if there's something you need you go and get it.

.....moving on. Slaughtering animals by slicing their necks, well for a start I am curious to know why this is the only way you are allowed to kill them as per religious rules????? To me, you kill it its dead, I don't see the difference. However I personally don't know if there is any humane way of killing an animal.....but I know if I was to be killed myself, I sure would not pick having my throat sliced!”

“Not Racist ,just concerned about the welfare of animals ! and having a choice Eggs are marked free range or battery meat should be marked too.”

“We need to be careful that we're not picking up issues as a proxy to resisting Islamic colonisation. It's not the British way. By the same token we must confront the possibility that cruel practices have been allowed to flourish because of the religions involved.

The original idea behind such methods of slaughter were humane and just, but I agree that animals must be stunned before slaughter. Many Islamic abatouirs do this already, so there shouldn't be an issue.

Naturally labelling and choice should be mandatory.

Finally, Iftikhar, I've told you a hundred time to go and colonise somewhere else. Your absolutist authoritarian medieval poison isn't ever going to be welcome by the British.”

“@iftikhara has also been slung out of the London School of Islamics web forums for spouting bile. All credit to them I say.”

“I wonder if they will sell me a nice leg of pork for sunday dinner and some bacon for breakfast if not they cant be a real butchers can they?”

“@Redearl
Nasty little person”

“@Dogwalker
Yes, well said”

“An awful lot of meat sold in supermarkets and served in restaurants, hospitals etc. is halal.... BUT the key thing is whether it's pre-stunned or non-stunned. All meat meant for non-muslims is pre-stunned and no non-stunned halal meat will find its way onto your plate. Your grandchild will be quite safe at school or eating meat from supermarkets.”

“@Jenna
"BUT the key thing is whether it's pre-stunned or non-stunned."
Correct, good point.

But ...

"All meat meant for non-muslims is pre-stunned and no non-stunned halal meat will find its way onto your plate"

Can you tell us how this is guaranteed?

Thanks.”

“Well if you're buying from tesco for example then it will all be pre-stunned . Similarly restaurants, hospitals, schools etc all use pre-stunned meat. If you're going to a muslim butchers, chances are it won't be...but I don't actually know that for sure and haven't bothered checking.”

“I agree, we need more children to be made aware of how utterly evil Muslamic food preparation is for the creature's drawn out last moments. Its actually something I have spent a great deal of time dwelling upon and is almost a cause for myself going vegetarian no thanks to the false dichotomy which will no doubt come if people inquire like myself and take account of the other forms of non-ritualised yet on the cheap animal slaughter techniques used today and the conditions in which animals are lead through to the bitter end.

Still, there is no reasonable benefit of ritual animal slaughter to the animal or the consumer. The hocuspocus medieval practice of semi-beheading and exsanguination (halal slaughter) would be abolished in any relatively civilised society.”

“"I agree, we need more children to be made aware of how utterly evil Islam is"

There, I've fixed it for you.”

“Halal meat is being routinely served at some of Britain's most popular sporting venues, pubs, schools and hospitals without the public's knowledge, it has emerged.

If you don't like the thought of halal meat, don't eat meat. If you do want to eat meat then I suggest you also complain about the Jewish community as they slaughter animals in exactly the same way. Kosher and Halal are virtually the same thing. But the word Kosher would not have triggered as much hatered, I suppose! From all the fervour I can only deduce that it's got nothing to with animal welfare but a lot to do with hating Muslims!

Islam is the fastest growing faith in Britain. Hundreds and thousands of Brits are reverting to Islam. By the middle of this century, over half of Brits would be Muslims.Truth will prevail irrespective of the negative propaganda against the most peaceful religion in the world.The more hatred enemies of islam spread the more it grows.

New research has shown more women convert to Islam than men - in fact, they account for 60 per cent of conversions. They believed that they should be a force for good by building bridges between the Muslim and Non Muslim communities in order to understand Islam better.
Examples of women who have left high powered jobs in the city, educated women who mostly found out about Islam independently via books, the internet or discussion with Muslims; seem to be the picture that is portrayed in this study. This clearly demonstrates a clear pattern of converts who while non Muslim rethought their lives and actively sought to reject secular values, for a belief system offering spiritual and worldly guidance in order to regulate life in a meaningful and fulfilling way. The rejection of materialism and decadence seem to be some of the catalysts in making that change.

A British actress Myriam Francois-Cerrah says she was motivated to convert to Islam especially when she started looking into the life of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). Now she is gaining more popularity for being one of a growing number of educated middle class female converts to Islam in Britain. Her conversion to Islam shows to all non Muslims that Islam is the only solution for humanity and Peace, they have to learn, find and know the living reason in this world
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One of the most high-profile examples is Tony Blair's sister-in-law Lauren Booth, who recently announced she had adopted the faith after a trip to Iran. The conversion of Lauren Booth will have a positive impact, despite claims that it is just attention-seeking. It will encourage people to convert, unless they idolise her, but I think that it will educate people and make them more interested in learning about Muslims. It's all about having a look at the Quran with an open mind, without presumptions and assumptions…Then would the reader understand what the beautiful religion is all about….
Increasing numbers of young, university-educated women in their twenties and thirties are converting to Islam. Well – educated white women are more likely to convert to Islam than other groups. Through wearing modest clothing, all the way to a head scarf, it's no longer about how you look, It's getting free from this idea that you are defined by your dress size." At the London Central Mosque in Regent's Park, women account for roughly two thirds of the "New Muslims" who make their official declarations of faith – and most of them are under the age of 30.

The question is why are so-called liberated women choosing Islam. Such women are part of an intriguing trend. They seek spirituality, a higher meaning, and tend to be deep thinkers.

While 9/11 has led to a western military and ideological onslaught on Islam, 9/11 has also been the catalyst for increasing numbers, born and bred in the west, to question and reject western values and convert to Islam.
IA”

“...Here you go folks. More evidence of the Totalitarian Imperialism that crawls around Islam like a swarm of flies.

We must deport those foreigners that seek to undermine our culture. Liberal Britain will not survive if men like Iftikhara are permitted to stay.”

“Come on James, don't judge all Muslims by the standards of Iftikhar.”

“Don't know what happened to my post, but in short John - I didn't and I wouldn't.
There are hundreds of thousands of British Muslims born here and abroad that I'd be happy to call my countrymen.

Ifthikara isn't one of them.

We can still call ourselves a liberal and tolerant society if we choose to remove those from our midst that seek to destroy us and what we most hold dear.”

“I heard that the Quran is a middle eastern legal system created by an oxygen starved mad hermit that married into wealth and then used it to finance a band of highwayman who would chop off arms and legs if they didnt fairly divide the plunder.”

“Answer to Iftikhar
I agree wholeheartedly with the concerns of heather1963
We Call on the Government to Investigate the HMC & other Muslim Halal 'Charities'
We have evidence that Halal businesses have been undercutting our Farmers, Slaughterhouses, Cutting Plants and Farming Businesses, because they have been allowed to claim CHARITY STATUS and thereby get EXEMPTION FROM TAX & VAT on the running costs of their businesses. This explains why when I check the meat codes of the cheapest meat in our supermarkets it all seems to trace back to halal sources…. and there was me thinking that this meat is so cheap, because it is the rejected Haram 'cast-offs' that legally cannot be labelled Halal despite the fact the animal was Ritually Slaughtered and dedicated to ALLAH – oh and I notice you can switch around the letters to get HALAL!
Let us start on the Halal Monitoring Services website, where the following questions were asked by brother Umar of Coventry from Jamia Darul Uloom Karachi… Question 4:
Some Halal meat supplying companies operating in the Halal meat industry in the UK abuse the law and voluntarily liquidate their companies after operating for some time, and by doing so free themselves of their accumulated debt, and then without paying their govt. taxes and debts owed to the farmers they open another company under another name and start operating again. In this way they undercut other law abiding companies engaged in providing Halal meat. These people are a cause of disrepute to the whole Halal meat industry, and they are one of the main reasons why many shortcuts and bad practices aimed at cost cutting have been introduced into the industry.
Would Muslim certification bodies be justified denying certification to these companies?”

“Next answer to Iftikhar:
More support for the concerns of heather1963
HALAL BUSINESSES GOING BANKRUPT? Could this be because Muslim Businessmen have had their Tax & VAT Avoidance Charity Status Scam stopped???
24th October 2011 – HMC ACQUIRES VAT REGISTRATION Over the past two years, the National Executive Committee initiated a review of the governance and structure of the organisation. This led to the successful registration with the Charity Commission in May 2009 as since our inception, we have remained a not for profit organisation. Earlier this year, we started a dialogue with HMRC regarding our VAT status. As a faith based voluntary organisation, our understanding was HMC is exempt from VAT similar to other charitable organisations. However, after a series of meetings, HMRC has advised we should become VAT registered based on the nature of services we provide. We have today communicated the impact of this to certified plants and outlets.
Reflecting on the change, Chairman of HMC, Shaykh Yunus Dudhwala said: "We appreciate this change will impact on our stakeholders but are confident our partners will appreciate the context of this change and the mandatory nature of the change. More over, we are working closely with HMRC to ensure that whilst we fulfil our legal obligations, the impact of the changes is minimal. For this reason, the change in charges will only apply to plants, and this will have minimal impact as VAT registered companies are able to reclaim the VAT. It is important for all our partners to support us on our journey to ensure the provision of genuine Halal."
SO... HMC ACQUIRES VAT REGISTRATION for this ILLEGAL BUSINESS PRACTICE!
Halal Monitoring Committee Limited goes into liquidation, but is now trading as HMC (UK) as it continues its work to supply Genuine Halal The HMC – is a so-called 'respectable' Halal Certification Board… because it will only certify UNSTUNNED MEAT. On the background of the story that many muslim businesses are illegally claiming CHARITY STATUS to get out of paying TAX & VAT, we have already seen two more halal abattoirs close in Wales this month… Now the HMC is trying to wriggle out of paying its debts by going into Liquidation & opening for business in a new name – HMC (UK) Ltd.!
What a SCAM this halal is!”

“Back to our problems in the UK, especially the Business irregularities outlined above…

QUESTION: In these times of austerity, WHY are we allowing such disrespectful flagrant cases of wrongdoing in any British Charities or Businesses?

Clearly this malpractice is putting our own hard-working Farmers livelihood in jeopardy? I have asked my local Farmers & Butchers and others in the Food Industry that I have met on-line…
QUESTION: WHY have you not spoken out about this 'halal' outrage long ago???

The answer in all cases was – "We are afraid of being labelled a 'Racist'!" Clearly speaking out against Islam is not a racist issue and speaking out against Muslim's who have no respect for the Law or Traditions of our country is not being racist either… Muslims are a multi-racial group of people from diverse cultural backgrounds, ethnicities and nationalities… You cannot be a Racist for opposing them.
We Must Call on the Government to Investigate the HMC & other Halal 'Charities' & ALL Business Irregularities…

Let's Clean Up Britain!
BOYCOTT HALAL Products & Services!
(If you can work out which ones they are as Halal Products are normally sold UNLABELLED)”

“CAN WE JUST STOP TALKING ABOUT ISLAM?! None of you have any frame of reference and this is tasteless in the extreme, that someone of "supposed" religious values has brought this up says a lot.

Go see Loyd Maunders slaughter houses if you want to compare and contrast "cruel" halal with good ol' british forms including - a stun gun that's ineffective, hoisting them semi-conscious onto a death conveyor belt by thier ankles then presented, helpless to thier certain doom - butchery is an ugly business - i have no interest in it either way. You're ignorant.”

“Why has a 12 month old article been dragged up?”

“Both Kosher and Halal practices were created to be humane to the animals concerned. See http://tinyurl.com/cky6y5k The nerve is the first thing to be severed, so that the animal feels no pain. When you make a comment about Islam, you perpetuate the ******** that the EDL (who we gave a good send off to recently) believe and perpetrate.”