Team row puts Bristol Downs League under threat

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The future of Bristol's Downs League is in doubt because of a row over a team that has been expelled – threatening the matches of more than 600 local footballers.

The Bengal Tigers were kicked out of the league because of their disciplinary record at the end of last season, after a fight which saw a player on the opposing team, Retainers, seriously injured.

But the Gloucestershire Football Association, backed by the game's national ruling body, the FA, says the league did not follow the right procedure and has told league organisers to reinstate the team within 14 days or face a disciplinary committee.

Downs League officials have indicated they may resign if forced to comply with the FA ruling, triggering the collapse of the league, which celebrated its centenary earlier this year.

They say the FA ruling undermines its own respect campaign to clamp down on disciplinary problems on the pitch.

Sources told the Evening Post that as well as the potential resignation of at least two leading officials, many of the league's referees plan to boycott any matches involving the Bengal Tigers if they are reinstated.

Downs League association spokesman Mervyn Baker, from Hartcliffe, said: "It causes great anguish amongst the league. I have never known a response to a decision from on high like this."

Vice chairman of the league's committee and former Downs League referee Bill Arthur said: "There are three victims in this. The first victim is the Retainers' player who spent the night in hospital. The second victim is the Downs League players, as it could all be over next week if the committee's officers resign, and the third victim is the FA's respect campaign."

The Bengal Tigers, who play in the league's fourth division, were initially suspended after last season's incident, before the clubs which form the league voted to expel them at the end of the season.

Club secretary Syed Haque refereed the game which sparked the row and believes his club has not been fairly treated.

He admitted the Tigers player who ended up fighting was not registered to play with the team and that allowing him and another unregistered player to play was a "mistake".

Mr Haque said: "I told (the players) the game was abandoned straight away. I got kicked and called all sorts of names during that fight.

"I came back from that game to a phone call from the fixture secretary saying what had happened was diabolical, and that we were suspended for the remainder of the season (three games).

"They didn't want to hear our side of the story at all. They just kept saying we were out of the league. So we went to the GFA.

"There are always going to be physical moments in football. It shouldn't have happened, but it did. I was called racial names on the pitch that day, and that shouldn't have happened.

"What (the league) have done since is unconstitutional. It should be the people involved (in the fight) who get kicked out.

"If they don't comply with the ruling I will be taking legal action against the league. That's the only option I've got.

"My problem is we represent a community. There are no other Asian teams, and people will think Asian teams won't be allowed in if we aren't.

"The Government wants ethnic minorities to take part in the community. They want integration, not segregation, and we are being segregated."

The Evening Post spoke to a number of other club secretaries and referees who all said they had never witnessed any form of racism from the committee towards the Tigers.

One source claimed the Tigers owed money to the league, though Mr Haque insisted the team had paid the only fine it had been made aware of and was ready to pay any outstanding costs.

Gloucestershire FA chief executive Dave Neil said its decision was purely procedural and did not concern the merits of the league's dispute with the Tigers over disciplinary matters.

The GFA says the league should have published notice of the motion to expel the Tigers on the agenda of the meeting when they were expelled and conducted a ballot on the issue.

He said: "When a club appeals against a decision of the league the GFA looks at how they applied the rules, not why. The Downs League did not follow the rules in the FA handbook correctly."

Mr Neil said the committee, which would oversee any charge against the Downs League, would use its discretion regarding any potential penalty.

The Downs League is due to meet on Wednesday to consider its response.

Chairman Bob Sampson stressed that a number of clubs in the league had players from ethnic minorities, adding: "Anyone can join the league."

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    by Bob Hamblin, Australia

    Friday, November 14 2008, 11:42PM

    “I enjoyed a number of years of involvement with a club in the Downs League and the major irritation for me was the playing of unregistered players,especially for evening games,when teams outperform anything they have achieved previously.In my experience a good proportion of clubs condone this practice and therefore cannot be surprised when an unregistered player commits an act of thuggery,without fear of reprisal.It is time that the Downs league eradicated this practice which has been going on for decades..and I am not immune from criticism in this respect.The practice of picking up players from outside the Downs dressing room to supplement teams that are short of players on match days has always been conveniently overlooked.It is time that the Downs League and GFA put their house in order and introduced some reliable scheme which ensured that players are registered for their club,are free from suspension, and are the player who they say they are.Its easy to put the name of a registered player on a teamsheet in place of the player who actually played.If the league and the referees can be certain that all players on the pitch are properly registered then at least the full disciplinary action can be applied.The 'player
    'being protected (by Bengal Tigers) should be outed and the GFA should impose a Sine Die ban that will ensure that he never sets foot on a football pitch again.”

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    by dave, Bradley Stoke

    Tuesday, November 11 2008, 10:23PM

    “I've been told that Bengal know the person involved in this incident by an ex-Bengal player. However, they choose not to. I've tried to put on this forum why but have been moderated for some reason - i'm not raciist, just a Downs League player that wants the truth out in the open.”

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    by Mr Cowboy, Easton

    Tuesday, November 11 2008, 5:00PM

    “As a supporter of a team that plays in this league, made up of people of many races and backgrounds, I have to say that neither side comes out of this smelling of roses.

    It is a fact that there are occasional instances of racism from some players and 'fans' in the League. I've witnessed it against my team, and been proud of the fact that the white players and fans from my team have always challenged it.

    But from what I've read, it is disingenuous of Mr. Haque to play the race card in this instance. A thug is a thug, no matter the colour of his skin. As the match official and club secretary, he should do everything in his power to name and act against this idiot. His comments suggest that he has not.

    However, I agree with him that the League officials acted outside of the rules. The rules are there in part to ensure that decisions following incidents like this are fair, open and transparent. If they had followed them, then this matter would never have arisen in the first place. Because they did not, the Tigers have every right to challenge the decision and get a visibly fair hearing.

    There are people on both sides who should be taking a long hard look at themselves right now. In my opinion, the game would be better off without any of them.”

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    by Daniel, Thornbury

    Tuesday, November 11 2008, 1:40PM

    “So what just because they are a Asian team that expect to get the special treatment? By implying that is that not being racist towards all the other sides and nationalities? What ever your nationality you have to abide by the rules and if you don't then you have to face the consequences.

    If you are representing the Asian community then you ain't doing a very good job of it and in fact are making Asians look bad. You are segregating yourselves because you can't abide by the rules of the game. It is not the governments fault you can't do that.”

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    by Smith, bristol

    Monday, November 10 2008, 2:28AM

    “Shock the race card has been brought out!! When can the white people start using it?? I cant wait!!!!”

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    by Neil, Bristol

    Sunday, November 09 2008, 9:26PM

    “So then Syed Haque club secretary of Bengal who refereed that day, show us all that you really have respect for rules and law yourself by naming the unregistered Bengal player who could have killed the opposition player in that match. I think you and your team's silence on this point says much more about your ethos that any claims of 'unfairness'.

    Also can someone tell me how leaving Bengal with their appaling disciplinary record go unpunished, helps either them or any other team on the downs?”

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    by Concerned player, Bristol

    Sunday, November 09 2008, 8:58PM

    “Not everything to do with the asian community and bad incidents come down to race. It is possible that an asian person can be violent without race playing any part.

    This incident was nothing to do with race on either side, it was down to the thuggish behaviour of one individual in particular, who Bengal apparently will not identify.

    I personally do not think Bengal should be allowed back in due to their history and the obvious fact that both players AND REFEREES do not want to be involved with them.

    It is about time people got some balls and said no to a team regardless of race because of the blatent facts.”

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    by Downs League Dave, Bradley Stoke

    Sunday, November 09 2008, 7:38PM

    “Ok - technically the Downs commitee have made an error by not following the correct procedure and it is probably 'technically' correct that they are re-instated.
    The simple fact is that Bengal Tigers have a very poor disciplinary record and this specific incident was a criminal act , by an un-registered player who the club have failed to inform the police of his name/address. For the Bengal officials to play the race card is a real shame, as this has nothing to do with race. However they are trying to make the Downs commitee and players looks as if we're racist and that is certainly not the case. I would say the Downs League is the most racially diverse league in the south-west.
    As for 'Footballer, Bristol' (who do you play for?) - you have a very out-dated view on Downs League players The standard in the top division is now very good, with some players who have previously (myself included) played semi-pro football but choose to play in this wonderful and unique league that Bristol should be proud of and unfortunately this incident has given a negative impression to those who know little about the game or this league in particular.”

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    by Bristol Resident, Bristol

    Sunday, November 09 2008, 7:27PM

    “Having played on the Downs on that day only 3 pitches away I was shocked to read the story in the paper. If the Bengal Tigers players were so hard done by, why did they all run to their cars and drive away before the police arrived on the scene.
    And to then play the race card is disgusting. Whatever culture or background a player comes from, does not mean that they are exempt from punishement. for what was a terrible act of violence. If this had happened in the centre of Bristol on a Saturday night then the perpertrator would have been arrested and prosecuted. The attacker is lucky not to have been prosecuted in this instance.
    The Tigers were not just removed from the league for that incident it was for their previous behaviour as well. I myself have been on the receiving end of the Tigers behaviour, when during a game I dared to appeal a decision., which resulted in their golakeeper running to the other end of the pitch to 'offer me out' to a fight. Sportmanslike, I think not.
    It is quite obvious that it is easier to put this down to a race issue, than to accept responsibility for their actions.
    This league which has a fantastic history should not be dragged through the press in this manner. Whilst the small minority of players can be blamed for the incident, surely the team management should be accountable as they signed these players.”

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    by Ben Brown, Clifton, Bristol

    Sunday, November 09 2008, 4:47PM

    “Let the Downs League officials resign. Let people who abide by the rules run it. No-one's indispensible.”

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