Bristol City stadium proves a talking point - and live radio debate proved it
IT is one of the biggest issues in Bristol for years – and a live radio debate proved it.
Even as people were leaving the auditorium after last night's debate, broadcast by BBC Radio Bristol from the Oasis Academy in Hengrove, they were still putting forward the arguments for and against a new stadium at Ashton Vale.
Tickets for the event, jointly organised by the Evening Post and BBC Radio Bristol, could have been snapped up three times over and those who were picked at random to attend shared the passion of the panellists debating the issues surrounding Bristol City's proposed new home.
Steve Burnell, 48, a train driver from Hartcliffe, said: "It has been a very interesting debate – I got to hear both arguments.
"I thought the pro-stadium side was excellent.
"The other side were all about anti-stadium, nothing else.
"If the stadium was built, it would be fantastic for the whole of the South West – in five years' time, we will wonder what all the fuss was about."
Richard Lane, 55, a builder from Knowle, said: "I think the campaign against the stadium has been organised by the Green Party.
"All they are concerned about is not letting the stadium be built and saving the green belt."
A retired head teacher, who asked not to be named, said he did not blame the residents for using the town green legislation to fight the stadium plans.
"I would do the same," he said.
He said the city should have had a new stadium years ago but the city council never bothered to do anything about it.
They were only getting involved now because the club was prepared to put the money in to build one.
A town green supporter, who declined to give his name, said the debate had never answered the question of why a stadium could not be built at Temple Meads, where there was plenty of land available.
Another town green supporter said that if a stadium was built at Ashton Vale, then it would set a precedent for more building on green belt land which was already under threat.
Annette Hennessy, 48, a school nurse support worker from Portishead, said she thought the stadium side had won the argument.
"We've got to look to the future," she said.
Chris Brewer, 55, a postie from Sea Mills and City season ticket holder, said: "I thought the debate was very encouraging from the point of view of City fans."
Although ticket recipients were chosen at random by a computer, it became clear as the six panellists took their seats that the majority of the audience were clearly in favour of building a stadium at Ashton Vale.
Ron Morton, from the pressure group Save Our Green Spaces, was booed as he spoke of Ashton Vale as agricultural land which should be preserved.
But Guy Price, the club's development director, received a round of loud applause when he said that the stadium would be built on a former landfill site and would be a fantastic asset for the whole of the city.
Long Ashton parish councillor Charles Cave nailed his colours to the mast from the outset by saying that the green belt should be protected and valued as highly as Bristol's other 'jewels in the crown' such as the Downs, Clifton Suspension Bridge and the Harbourside.
Steve Micklewright, for the Avon Wildlife Trust, said wild animals and birds did not perceive the land as a former rubbish dump – they saw it as a place to live and a stepping stone to get across the city.
Mike Norton, editor of the Evening Post, said the economic case for a stadium outweighed the case for a town green, which drew loud applause.
And he received a roar of approval when he said: "This is not really about a town green – it's an anti-stadium application."
Deputy city council leader Councillor Simon Cook warned during the debate that the law was so narrow on town green legislation that there was little room for compromise.
He said that although the council had made it clear it was in favour of supporting a stadium, it would be up to seven councillors sitting in a quasi-legal committee to make a decision whether to approve town green registration.
If approved, then no development will be allowed on the land for ever.
One of the most telling remarks from the audience came from a pro-stadium supporter who said: "Brunel would never have got anything done if he was alive today."
The Post came under attack for taking sides in the issue.
Mr Norton said that although the paper had taken a view, it had reported the issue fairly.
"Sometimes there are issues where the paper has to stand up and be counted," he said. "This is one of those issues."
Mr Micklewright suggested that the council was getting a poor return for the land deal, which saw the club taking ownership of two parcels of land that could have been sold for £4.6 million.
But Mr Cook explained that the deal meant that the council was receiving the equivalent of £360,000 a year for 30 years.
Mr Price said people should be talking about what the stadium would mean for Bristol and the region – thousands of jobs and millions of pounds of investment.
"We shouldn't be looking a gift horse in the mouth," he said, which drew a loud round of applause.
Mr Cave said it was important that the football club had a spiritual home but it was important that a new stadium should have proper access.
"This is more about the site being owned by the club," he said.
But Mr Price replied that as far back as 2002, the city council was looking at possible sites for a new stadium and it was Ashton Vale which was confirmed as the best site.
Although there were only six questions that were put to the panel, more than 100 had been submitted.
More than 600 people had applied for a ticket to attend the event and the 230-seat auditorium was full, despite the bad weather.
On Thursday, FIFA will announce where the World Cup will be staged in 2018. If England is chosen, then Bristol is virtually certain of hosting games – as long as the new stadium is built – because it is one of 12 host cities included in the England bid.
Mr Price said that it would be the icing on the cake if England won the bid but what really mattered was what the new stadium would mean for Bristol.
Today is the deadline for responses to the appeal for new evidence which has been submitted by the club in support of a new stadium at Ashton Vale.
It will now be up to the council to make a final decision whether to register the 42-acre site as a town green.
The issue will be put before members of the Public Rights of Way committee – possibly before Christmas but more likely in the new year.
They will have to decide whether to make a decision themselves, pass the issue back to the independent inspector for a review or pass it on to the full council to consider.









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by Mark, Bristol
Wednesday, December 01 2010, 9:36AM
“Harry
The post represents the people of Bristol.
10-1 the people of Bristol who have expressed an opinion do so in favour of the stadium project.
The post is entirely correct to champion the voice of the people it represents and to report these events with an editorial view that reflects this.
Its never nice to be on the wrong side of the argument or to have what seems like the rest of the world rallying against you; but that is human nature; those who oppose this plan are not popular.”
by Harry, Long Ashton
Wednesday, December 01 2010, 9:15AM
“It seems that Sue has ruffled a few feathers on these comments pages. Her points might seem irrelevant to the debate but she has highlighted what it is like to print a unbalanced account by picking out snippets from BCFC fan forum that suits her agenda.This is exactly what the BEP has done day in day out by showing a one sided story and bullying and harassing the Ashton Vale Heritage group. I would also like to point out that in Sue's original posts she uses the term SOME football fans so that is hardly stereotyping All football supporters.”
by J.B.Rumpole, Bristol
Wednesday, December 01 2010, 1:39AM
“This whole situation is turning into a quite unecessary fiasco.
It is a shame that the new stadium is not being proposed to be built in Filton.
Bristol City could have shared the ground with Bristol Rovers and we could have also had speedway brought back to Bristol.
I am sure that Filton Councillors would have resolved this mess with some tremendous ground making decisions.”
by georgesdad, Singapore
Wednesday, December 01 2010, 1:17AM
“@Sue
Here's another post from the forum - I like this one and is more representative of the quality of thought of many who post than your own snippets:
"is it me or are transport problems really there..when the balloon fiesta is on for 3 or 4 days hundreds of thousands attend.. when the harbour fiesta is on hundreds of thosands attend. the portway leads straight to motorway , go up side of suspension bridge straight to motorway , go through centre to m32 . whats the problem, ah yes its football which happens for a couple of hours once or twice a fortnight...not whole weekends in height of summer when all of the north comes this way to our seasides which is when the above fiestas are on, its not a transport problem then eh. 20 thousand fans here and gone over 4 or 5 hours some how seems harder to deal with than hundreds of thousands over 3 or 4 day weekends.. is it me ???”
by finkerr, Bristol
Tuesday, November 30 2010, 7:37PM
“@Sue
Looks like the BCFC forum is a little hobby of yours (some sort of vice)? All saved, ready to show your fellow TVGers what "bad" people football fans are.
The sad thing is, you think it's relevant to the TVG debate.
So while you like to stereo type football fans, you don't know that you've become a stereo type for TVGers:
irrelevent and ill informed.”
by Dog Walker, AV
Tuesday, November 30 2010, 7:28PM
“@Sue
This very website has had multiple references in the posts to violence this week. Does that make every poster on here a violent person.
Whether there are violent elements in bcfc has no relevance to only question: "Is it a green or not?"
Anyway I thought your issue was that the football supporters are sexist???
Come on Sue, relying on evidence that don't exist and no consistency in what you are saying is hardly good argument.
By the way not all anti TVG people on here are city fans.”
by Leftyrighty, Somerset
Tuesday, November 30 2010, 7:27PM
“Even today on the tv Lansdown was bleating that the (potential) loss of the 2018 bid would detract from building the stadium. Is he serious that this is being built just to have one or two obscure nations play a couple of no consequence games? Beyond which BCFC will benefit from a huge fraud having been perpetrated on the region around Bristol. Tell the truth Mr Lansdown. This 2018 thing is just a huge smokescreen and we all have to see beyond it. It is a football stadium that fulfills his dream at the expense of others. If he was honest that is what he would say and many would think him the better for being more honest than he is now with all this "regional regeneration" BS”
by Dave, BS3
Tuesday, November 30 2010, 7:17PM
“Really clutching at straws now Sue, you are doing exactly what you are condemning, generalising groups of people. With such a blinkered view it's no wonder that you see football fans as you do.
I'm guessing you don't work in law?
What is the point of this attack anyway?”
by Sue, Horfield
Tuesday, November 30 2010, 7:14PM
“@dogwalker
Well this post did come from the BCFCfan forum did it not?
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Posted 11 October 2010 - 01:57 PM
The Away Days Thread - while the intentions were fine to start with we found the thread started drift to a point where it was OK glorify violence on a level that some users reported the post and we felt that the topic might not be the best idea given that opposition to the village green are keen to pounce on anything they might try and use against us.”
by Dog Walker, Ashton Vale
Tuesday, November 30 2010, 7:08PM
“What's that Sue? Your evidence for your stereotypical view and characterisations of football fans doesn't exist.
Oh well, you must be spot on then.”