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'Nasty things happen to good people' – what trading standards told con victims Michelle and Mike Williams from Bristol

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Wednesday, February 06, 2013
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A COUPLE who contacted Bristol's trading standards for help were furious when they were patronised and told it was better to "realise that nasty things happen to good people".

Mike and Michelle Williams from Stockwood contacted the watchdog after a company failed to deliver on its promise of delivering a van for Mr Williams' stag do to Cornwall.

  1. Michelle and husband Mike Williams lost a £165 deposit on a van for a stag night, and are upset by the response from trading standards Picture: Jon Kent BRJK20130202  A-004_

    Michelle and husband Mike Williams lost a £165 deposit on a van for a stag night, and are upset by the response from trading standards

The ensuing argument saw the couple, who were planning a wedding, lose their £165 deposit.

Infuriated they contacted trading standards but said they were stunned by the apathy and lack of interest in their case – as well as the patronising tone in which they were addressed.

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The couple say they were told in emails, which The Post has seen, by a trading standards adviser:

● Sometimes people break the law

● To realise that nasty things happen to good people and whatever your legal entitlement you will not get it.

● You could go to Edinburgh to check (where the company claims to be listed – 380 miles from Stockwood).

Bristol City Council said the trading standards employee had made "all possible enquiries" but conceded "the tone of the final emails should have been different".

Mrs Williams, 29, who works in digital marketing, said: "I found it all so patronising. She was just so apathetic despite me being so desperate to get help.

"When trading standards wrote to the company it came back addressee unknown.

"I said surely they should check up on it but she just suggested we drive to Edinburgh to find out.

"This is someone who has to deal with people in real difficulties – who have lost thousands and have suffered real heartache but she was so rude.

"This was £165 that we lost when we were trying to save hard for a wedding and I thought trading standards were there to help not patronise. I just feel they could have done more for us than send a letter and when that does not produce a result say there was nothing more they could do."

A statement from the council said: "These emails follow painstaking work carried out by the consumer advice officer and a large amount of correspondence.

"Unfortunately, the complaint about the van hire is a civil matter and as a result, in order for the consumer to obtain redress, they may have to apply to the Small Claims Court.

"Trading standards can provide advice and guidance on civil matters and the small claims procedure but cannot compel the company to redress consumers for a civil breach of contract. The adviser has made all possible enquiries in this instance but unfortunately to no avail.

"We understand the frustration the consumer may feel about this matter. However the adviser has done all she reasonably can to support the consumer.

"Perhaps the tone of the final emails should have been different but it reflects her wish for them to understand the limitations of actions that can be taken.

"Bristol trading standards advises consumers to shop around and get quotes from a number of companies before hiring a car or van and ensure that you know who the company is and where they are based.

"It is always best to confirm all details of the rental agreement in writing before you book."

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  • Profile image for polyphase

    by polyphase

    Friday, February 08 2013, 1:02PM

    “Ah, the headline's been changed. Now they're from Bristol. So where did the Yate connection come from?”

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    by Cabot

    Thursday, February 07 2013, 9:22PM

    “Isn't this an example of why it's wise to pay by credit card fpr this sort of thing?”

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    by Bristolexpat

    Thursday, February 07 2013, 6:33AM

    “Very unfortunate for this couple, and I'd agree they have valid questions that need answering.

    However they have fallen foul of going to the BEP. Not a good idea.

    The usual mis-reporting, lazy, non-investigative journalism on show has left everyone wondering quite what this story is about and quite what this couple are hoping to achieve??

    Seriously, if you ever have a problem, and no-one else can help...DO NOT goto the BEP!!”

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    by Jimenez47

    Thursday, February 07 2013, 12:26AM

    “A spot of due diligence was in order, but maybe the real due diligence here is why get married in the first place.”

  • Profile image for polyphase

    by polyphase

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 4:03PM

    “So are they from Yate as stated in the headline or are they from Stockwood as stated in the second paragraph?”

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    by bokbok

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 1:55PM

    “So what.”

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    by Marksy

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 12:56PM

    “They both look very sad !”

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    by robert1bobby

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 10:58AM

    “USELESS TOOTHLESS PUPPY THAT JUST ****S ON YOUR FLOOR AND COSTS MONEY, WILL NEVER BE OF ANY GOOD AND NEEDS PUTTING DOWN”

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    by brissleblue

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 9:58AM

    “Their MP is Steve Webb, Pensions Minister in Dept of Work & Pensions. At the very least, he could be notified of the situation and could perhaps obtain answers to the questions 'Why are Bristol Trading Standards unable to help?' and 'Given the scamming firm are evading their contract, how can they be traced?' and, perhaps most important, 'What was the response from South Glos Trading Standards, the local unit for these Yate citizens?'

    Question of my own - why has this 'firm' not been named and their 'address' noted in this news report? If nothing else, naming and shaming them would alert others not to trade with them ....

    If there is a legal reason why they cannot be named and shamed, why have the BEP not included that info in this story?”

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    by welliesarmy

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 9:27AM

    “Shame that they lost their money, but in the grander scale of things is this story really worth reporting?

    It's hardly Woodward and Bernstein...”

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