“Lorraine - and many others - seem to think that it is OK to discriminate against frail sick and elderly patients requiring long term care reflecting the Governments attitude 'if they can pay then they shall pay' But that spells the destruction of the NHS - On that argument every visit to a GP. blood test, X-rays,scans, all surgery. every bandage and sticking plaster would be subject to a NHS charge on those who can afford it! No - the NHS must be 'free' to all: either no one pays or everybody pays. There's no room for discrimination!”

“LONG TERM CARE - BRITAINS BIGGEST RIP-OFF!!
If you or your relative has been forced to pay for long term care I can help you to get all your money back - plus interest. I act as a pro bono consultant and advocate for over 300 claimants throughout the UK and have never given up on a case! The NHS, social services, the Ombudsman and the Healthcare Commission are conspiring together to force sick and disabled British Citizens to pay for their own care which the Health Act say's should be free at the point of need. If you hold an EPoA or LPA then refuse to pay or you will be 'party to a conspiracy to defraud' DO NOT submit to a 'means test' or have anything to do with social services! The law says that you cannot be forced to provide information for an unlawful purpose. DO NOT agree to or sign ANYTHING. See 'nhscare.info' for more information also 'freenursingcareinformation'”

“why should she have her money back for staying in this care home my mother in law never did and she was in the same state of health as this lady was
and if she has savings then she should use them to pay for her keep
lorraine, bristol uk
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@ Lorraine
Sorry but you are wrong,

You say that your mother in-law was in the same state of health, that being the case she also would have been entitled to continuing care free at the point of need,
If your mother in-law is no longer with us, my condolences to you and her family,

Lorraine it is still possible for you or her family to claim back care/nursing home fees paid by the family, if it was within the last 5 years please check out Nhscare.info also check out this gentleman¿s name Stephen Squires he has posted below my first post Stephen Squires is an expert in this field

Mr. Squires assisted me and many more in our claim for my mother, continuing care was granted September 2008. We won our case by applying the law; the law dose work both ways, Mrs. Green¿s case is a shambles a diabolical injustice and will be overturned in the high courts of appeal

I.M.H.O the judge in this case has misinterpreted the whole coughlan judgment this will be amended in the high courts of appeal or the European high court for human rights

Regards

Michael”

“To clarify my earlier post, it's not that the 'eligibility criteria' are unlawful but it is the imposition of ANY eligibility criteria that is unlawful. Note too that we do NOT have a free health service - elderly care home patients have paid for it through a lifetimes taxation - and the NHS use every trick to force them to pay for it again. Every resident British citizen with an illness or disability is entitled to NHS care 'free at the point of need' and If anyone tries to make you pay just say NO! Take what is rightfully yours! See freenursingcareinformation”

“¿eligibility criteria¿ (unlawful because the 1946/8 Health Act does not permit the application of any ¿criteria¿ to determine who is or is not entitled to NHS care ¿free at the point of need¿) Furthermore the NHS themselves confirm that although modified by later acts the core principles remain intact: They say they hold "a continuing commitment to the founding principles of the NHS which can be summed up as: The provision of quality care that: Meets the needs of every British citizen Is free at the point of need and is based on a patient's clinical need not their ability to pay" read the nhs core princibles for verification. Also visit nhscare.info

The judgment in Mrs. Green¿s case has not established weather she has or has not a Health need it has only established that criteria was applied correctly thus denied judgement

(BUT THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA IS AND REMAINS UNLAWFULL)

The 1946/8 health act has not and will not be repealed no matter how they amend or word it the core principles remain the same (free health care at the point of need)

Quite rightly said by Mr Stephen Johnson of bridge end, be very wary of the N.H.S and social services local authorities, they will strip you bare of all your assets (UNLAWFULLY)

BTW, @jean don¿t worry about the N,H,S having to fork out on claims, worry about yourself they will come your way one day and strip you bare, wonder if you¿d say the same then??

Jean, people do not go into care homes or nursing homes voluntarily most are forced into these homes against their will especially if they own their own home or have substantial savings they are then systematically robbed of their wealth

The judgement in Mrs greens case, Will be overturned in the high courts of appeal¿s as has been the case in the past”

“This judgement is perverse and unlawful because the Health Act does not allow for the imposition of 'eligibility criteria' to determine who is and is not entitled to receive NHS care 'free at the point of need'. The ONLY valid qualification for 'free' care is an illness or disability and the Appeal Court ruled that ALL the care Pam Coughlan receives is 'Health Care' "for which the NHS is as a matter of law responsible" This latest judgement should be repealed as It is contrary to law and 'Coughlan'. Many other Alzheimers patients have secured free care. This case is blatant discrimination and care home patients should just refuse to pay. See nhscare.info for further information.”

“The NHS Act was brought out by the Labour Party in 1948 and the core principles are as follows: The provision of quality care that: Meets the needs of everyone, is free at the point of need and is based on a patient's clinical need not their ability to pay.

Thousands of people are being unlawfully charged for health care which should be free at the point of delivery whether that care is provided at home or in a nursing home.

Pam Coughlan backed this up by winning her case in the Court of Appeal in 1999.

I have been fighting for my brother Rod for two and a half years. Unfortunately he died in March. I will fight on and hope to get to the High Court .

You would not believe the underhand tactics the NHS have used against me even down to inprisonment on a jumped up charge.

Social Services are not far behind as they act unlawfully by providing services that are beyond their remit and the NHS should be picking up the bill. So much for the Cornerstone of the Labour Party.

If you happen to find yourself or family in this position make sure you question everything they do and get information from the internet, there is a lot out there.

Kind Regards,

Stephen Johnson (Continuing Care Campaign).”

“Not only do the authorities take the state pension when an elderly person is admitted to care, but they also take any private pensions that the person has - bearing in mind that person has worked for many years and paid tax etc on this - but also want third party top up fees from their family. In face in some cases, the authorities pay one third of the fees and the patient / family pay the other two thirds. Also, why shouls they have to use their savings when some people save nothing but expect everything in return. We should look after those who have looked after themselves for many years.”

“OUR NHS needs every last penny to pay out all the spurious claims it is made to pay out.”

“Well said Mike.”