Mixed response, but most back plans for 20mph speed limit zones
MORE people have had their say on proposals for the introduction of 20mph speed limits across Bristol.
So far about half of people who have shared their views on the scheme – which would see the reduced speed limits in place in central Bristol within a year – were in favour of proposals as they stand, while another 20 to 25 per cent have been said to agree to the scheme in principle but wanted to find out more.
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Max Granger is broadly in favour
Manager of the project Helen Wigginton said that about a quarter of those questioned had been against the proposals.
At an exhibition in Clifton Library on Friday, 32-year-old Max Granger said he was broadly in favour of the plans, but was concerned about the impact it would have on his commute to work in Filton.
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"I think in residential areas it is pretty much a good idea," he said.
"I think what might be tricky is how they differentiate between residential and main roads. I might be a bit worried about the extension and an increase it might have on my trip to work."
Jean Martin, of Clifton, said: "I generally think it's a good idea and was interested in seeing exactly what they were proposing.
"We used to live in London and they brought in a 20mph limit and as a result traffic slowed down. I haven't got a problem with it.
Her husband, Frank, said: "It was good to get a bit more detail."
At Cheltenham Road library on Saturday Helen George, of St Andrew's, said: "I am in favour of the 20mph zones both as a mother and a cyclist. It does not affect your journey time but it will be about people abiding by it and it being regulated."
Father John Fotheringham, of Bishopston, added: "I thoroughly endorse it. It will feel slow for drivers but once they are used to it, it will become second nature."
Comments
by charles101
Wednesday, October 24 2012, 1:01PM
“Apologies for duplicate messages, I hit the submit button and had error about something not being a function and that the message wasn't accepted. It obviously was but I didn't know so submitted again trying to work out what was going wrong.”
by matic_113
Monday, October 22 2012, 6:33PM
“This is a silly project. People can't drive faster than 20 in rush hour anyway. Most people don't drive at 30 on narrow residential roads anyway. so its pointless, unenforceable and a waste of money. Lets ensure that the strong favorite for mayor Marvin Rees doesn't get in as this type of ill-conceived nonsense will become the norm.”
by Brizz_Tony
Monday, October 22 2012, 5:28PM
“snowymalone
"Am I being unkind or untruthful by describing DM Fishponds as one issue bore"
If so, I'm in trouble too. Believe it or not, large parts of the proposed Bus Rabid Transit route to Hengrove will be covered by a 20 mph zone. Creswicke Road even has some pretty savage road humps on it, which will have to be removed to make space for the white elephant. 20 mph isn't rapid in my book, and the signs do little to slow anyone down. Those road humps do, though, and this makes it look to me as though somebody hasn't thought all this through properly.
Generally, I'm not bothered either way with the 20 mph thing. The police have already, as reported in the BEP, said that it isn't enforceable. So long as it stays voluntary, that is fine by me. It would make more sense to have the existing 30 mph limits enforced first, but I suppose we have to do something with all the excess money in the council's bank accounts, and we wouldn't want to waste it on care for the elderly or something.”
by charles101
Monday, October 22 2012, 3:03PM
“The results of the current 20mph zones show little real impact,accidents actually up, but not significant, speeds slightly down (about 1mph average, but not significant. That was restricted to residential roads. The new proposals are for all roads so out of peak times journey times could be substantially longer on some roads. The real problem is spending so much money, OUR MONEY, for such very marginal results.
Is the real incentive to gradually increase revenue from speeding fines rather like what Bristol has done with parking charges. restrictions for all night and on Sundays. Once the framework is in the council can change how its enforced without consultation so a long term extra tax on motorists.”
by charles101
Monday, October 22 2012, 3:02PM
“The results of the current 20mph zones show little real impact,accidents actually up, but not significant, speeds slightly down,about 1mph average, but not significant. That was restricted to residential roads. The new proposals are for all roads so out of peak times journey times could be substantially longer on some roads. The real problem is spending so much money, OUR MONEY, for such very marginal results.
Is the real incentive to gradually increase revenue from speeding fines rather like what Bristol has done with parking charges. restrictions for all night and on Sundays. Once the framework is in the council can change how its enforced without consultation so a long term extra tax on motorists.”
by charles101
Monday, October 22 2012, 3:01PM
“The results of the current 20mph zones show little real impact (accidents actually up, but not significant), speeds slightly down (about 1mph average, but not significant). That was restricted to residential roads. The new proposals are for all roads so out of peak times journey times could be substantially longer on some roads. The real problem is spending so much money, OUR MONEY, for such very marginal results.
Is the real incentive to gradually increase revenue from speeding fines rather like what Bristol has done with parking charges. restrictions for all night and on Sundays. Once the framework is in the council can change how its enforced without consultation so a long term extra tax on motorists.”
by KA12345
Friday, October 05 2012, 5:22PM
“1. This may come as a surprise but there is a whole life out there outside the hours of 7:30am - 8pm (when the roads are generally busy). When I travel outside of these hours I do not get caught up at the next bottleneck because there isn't one. During the peak hours when roads are busy, the speed limit is self enforced due to volume of traffic and I rarely get to go above 20mph.
2. Great! Welcome on-board.
3. Increase in casualties - this to me seems a big enough justification not to tinker with anything that may cause this to rise.
Unanimous recent reports show that accidents in 20mph zones are on the rise.
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4. So... Is it really worth spending over £2m of OUR MONEY on something which the trial zone shows has made minimal difference?? I think in a double-dip recession and with the increase in cost of living this money could be used more wisely.....
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Happy reading..........................”
by PotatoMan11
Thursday, October 04 2012, 6:41PM
“"1. A near-blanket 24hr 20mph speed limit will make round the clock journeys longer.... therefore cars will be on the road longer which will increase congestion & pollution.
2. Will anyone really drive at 20mph on main residential streets (Falcondale Rd, Muller Rd, Bishopsworth Rd, Wells Rd, Westbury Rd, Coronation Rd, Feeder Rd, Summerhill Rd etc etc) after 7pm..... I really doubt it, hence it's pointless rolling it out and even more pointless spending £2.3m of our tax money on this scheme.
3. The trial zones have shown an INCREASE in casualties – only just last week there was unfortunately a casualty on Ashley Hill.
4. The trial zones have shown an average drop in speed by only 1.4mph MAX.
5. The police say 20mph is unenforceable.
6. Portsmouth was the first major city to introduce a blanket 20mph speed limit. Since the introduction of this scheme there has been an 81% increase in accidents where a person has been killed or seriously injured."
Oh dear
1. No. Delays in journeys are caused by bottlenecks. By going faster you're just getting to the next bottleneck more quickly.
2. Well if you doubt it then let's call the whole thing off.
3. Doesn't mean that there is an increase in the rate of injuries. If the streets are more pleasant and more people are walking and cycling then there will probably be an increase in the number of injuries. By your logic the best thing to do would be for no-one to walk or cycle: then there would be no injuries to these people.
4. So?
5. Please show me the press release.
6. See 3., above.”
by snowymalone
Thursday, October 04 2012, 7:50AM
“@ KBillies
"Am I being unkind or untruthful by describing DM Fishponds as one issue bore?"
Would you say the same if he just went on and on and on and on and on about how wonderful various Lib Dem councillors are, often posting almost exactly the same text across the site, or indeed several times in the same thread?”
by gasincider
Sunday, September 30 2012, 10:04AM
“Seems to me that all the ills of mankind can be placed at the door of motorists.
So why not ban cars and go back to horsepower?
Then ban volcanoes, leaves rotting in Autumn, heating schools and hospitals etc etc.
Then the air quality will be perfect.
Sadly like atomic weapons, you cannot uninvent things. If road tax was spent on repairing road infrastructure and sensible traffic calming measures, and government put decent public transport in place then we might stand a chance.”