Means-testing pensioners for benefits moves a step closer

“What is wrong with you people?
You just can't or won't see the big picture will you?
This all stems, by the back door, on instructions from
the REAL bosses, the Zionist Bankers.
The puppet Govt are using every possible means to strip wealth and assets
from everyone except themselves.
Whether Con, Lib or Lab they are prostitutes in suits, working
to a foreplanned political agenda to impoverish and enslave us all.
They have, to a man, sold their souls to the Rothschilds and Big Corporations.
The reality is they want to kill off older people as fast as possible,
either through poverty, cold, lack of healthcare or whatever.
MPs fiddle expenses with impunity, won't prosecute their Banker bosses for fraud,
cover up child abuse, they happily pay £53 million of our money to Brussels EVERY day without
our consent and use our money for help foreign terrorists.
They want to steal everything from us and are succeeding.
This all part of a grand plan for every nation, to transfer wealth from
one sector to the other. The rich get richer, not by their own efforts but by stealing from the poorer.
As long as central Banks print money and issue it as debt, it will get worse.
There is NO national debt, how can there be with money created from nothing?
All money should be printed by a Govt and issued as credit.
It is the older generation, rich or otherwise, who KNOW real freedom, that is
in line for culling one way or another.
The plan is to eventually create citizens become complicit slaves, back to feudalism.
All the time we have all these rich spivs thinking they are elitist, everyone
should take every penny.
If we don't, they will.
Cull Westminster, get rid of the corrupt entirity and replace them with fair, honest and decent human beings, up to and fit for the job.”

“the only way, if you don't need it, you shouldn't have it .... lolly60 and RichardH11 get my vote on this one.”

“Maybe benefits of any kind from child allowance to the heating allowance to old ages pensions should only be paid to those who have contriubuted in their lifetime.

This would certainly cut the bill back by thousands and thousands of people - immigrants etc - who have paid NOTHING into our NHS but are given all the benefits as they they have lived here and contributed.

Why should allowances be paid for children who don't live here let alone whos parents have contributed nothing to our government.

Let the people 'benefit' who have paid into the system and this includespensioners who have worked all their lives who should not be penalised by having bus passes etc stopped.”

“There is a big difference between having cash and having assets. A retired copuple could very easily live in a house that is worth quite a lot on paper, but have little in the way of savings and income. Is it fair that they should be subjected to higher taxes? I don't think so.

The fact is that 14 per cent most wealthy already account for 60 per cent of the total income tax take. http://tinyurl.com/ayy6nek The wealthiest one per cent, earning more than £150,000 per year, account for 26.5 per cent of the income tax burden. The allegation that the wealthy are not paying a "fair" amount of tax is patently untrue. The nation needs to have a good think about what constitutes "wealthy". We can't just continually take more and more and more from an ever dwindling group of people to subsidise ever increasing numbers of people who take more from the economy than they give back. We will do what France is currently successfully doing - kill the goose that lays the golden egg. Many of these high earners don't just pay huge sums in tax themselves, they also own businesses that pay vast sums of tax and employ people who all pay tax as well.”

“That's my vote lost then”

“You could restrict it to those in receipt of means tested pension credit and for fuel allowance, DLA.”

“Or add some additional bands to the top of the council tax scale. At the moment H is the highest, based on a rateable value of £320,000 pa.”

“Or you could increase income tax or inheritance tax. Both fair, progressive and redistributive taxes.”

“I don't think many people would disagree that the state should not pay benefits to people who don't need them. But the big, hence rarely-mentioned, problem is - just how do you means-test every pensioner? How do you account for savings, assets etc as well as income (pension)?

You could ask every pensioner to fill in an annual self-assessment form, and create a huge new government department or quango to do the sums, but that would be expensive would need public servants, so obviously cannot happen.

Or you could just cut everyone's benefits across the board, like they're doing with income support. I doubt the public would accept that though; it wouldn't be as easy to demonise everyone over 65 as it was to demonise everyone under £15k PA.”

“There are an ever-increasing number of pensioners, many of them, like myself, much better off than many working people. I think these extra benefits should definitely be withdrawn for the wealthier if there is a simple way of doing it.”