Half of youths caught with knives in Bristol area not charged

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Thursday, August 07, 2008
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More than half the teenagers caught with knives in a

three-month period in Avon and Somerset were not charged.

Of the 19 youths under the age of 18 police arrested between

March 1 and June 3, just seven were charged with being in

possession of a blade, new figures have revealed.

The other 12 were given a reprimand or final warning.

In total, officers arrested 102 people of all ages for

having a knife between March 1 and June 3 – an average of one a

day.

Just 60 of them were later charged with an offence and taken

to court, according to figures released by the police under the

Freedom of Information Act.

The rest were given a caution, reprimand or final warning.

Four suspects have yet to be dealt with.

Police spokeswoman Clare Giordmaine said: "A reprimand or

final warning is an official formal caution for a juvenile and

will go on their criminal record."

The Government recently called for all people aged 16 and

over caught in possession of a knife to be brought before a

court.

But a survey of forces across England and Wales found wide

variations in the level of prosecutions, with Wiltshire police

prosecuting just 15 per cent of those arrested for having a

knife in public while the Met brought 90 per cent before a

court and Cheshire charged 94 per cent.

Nationally, more than a third of those caught carrying a

knife were let off with a caution.

Avon and Somerset has one of the lowest prosecution

rates.

There were 360 serious offences – including attempted

murder, wounding with intent, grievous bodily harm and robbery

– involving knives in Avon and Somerset last year, putting it

among the worst areas in England.

Three people died in Bristol last year after being stabbed,

but there has been a decline in the number of people admitted

to hospital with knife wounds in the city.

Last month, Johnny Derrick, 43, died after he was stabbed in

Gatehouse Avenue, Withywood. Two men have been charged with his

murder.

In May Alan Riddock, 41, died after being stabbed outside

the Park House pub in St John's Lane, Bedminster. Four people

have been charged with his murder.

The latest figures available show fewer than one in five

people convicted of carrying a knife in Avon and Somerset are

sent to prison.

Just 30 of 168 people found guilty of possessing a knife in

a public place were given a prison sentence in 2006 in Avon and

Somerset.

There were 780 recorded crimes involving knives – including

possession of a blade – in Bristol last year – down from 1,038

at its peak in 2004/05.

The maximum penalty for carrying a knife was doubled last

year from two to four years.

Clive Elliott, of the Victims Of Crime Trust, said: "These

figures show that this postcode lottery is failing the

public."

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    by Nell Pursey, Knowle

    Saturday, August 09 2008, 7:52AM

    “This is to Alex, the newspaper is only doing its job that it is in business for, ie.reporting the news, and if the news appears to be sensationalist (so what?) but "sensationalist" does NOT make it UNTRUE! And if the figures for knife crime were not reported, then I would be ignorant of that information because I reply on my newspaper to do just that - report the news!”

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    by Peter Williams, Pudsey

    Thursday, August 07 2008, 7:33PM

    “Carrying a knife gives a kid street cred. Receiving a police warning or a caution gives added street cred along with their treasured ASBO. Doesn't anyone understand the mentality of these kids?”

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    by Martyn, Central Bristol

    Thursday, August 07 2008, 7:00PM

    “Maybe if the powers that be were tougher and actually imposed the laws on knife crime that they set and created a fear of imprisonment in the knife carriers then maybe i wouldn't have to wear body armour to work.”

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    by ANON, Bristol

    Thursday, August 07 2008, 6:53PM

    “- its not too much paperwork for the police at all !- Its called practical policing, is it really in the public interest to take a youth to court on his/her first offence if they show remorse or admit the offence at the earliest opportunity ? The cost involved in the simplest of cases in court is a huge amount of public money. A police reprimand or final warning is a conviction so why tie up the court systems YOU have to take each and every incident on its own merit, situations involving LAW cannot be generalized. Its not applicable in some cases to reprimand/warn but the decision to take a case to court would generally be made by the Crown Prosecution service in many cases - NOT THE POLICE.”

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    by Grahame Priest, Central Bristol

    Thursday, August 07 2008, 6:09PM

    “Being sensible about it, one can recognise it must sometimes be a better thing to put a kid back on the straight and narrow with a warning as opposed to putting them through the criminal justice system. The issue is perhaps one of confidence in the police to issue warnings only when appropriate. Maybe we suspect that the police can't be bothered to tackle low level offending, which we then see as leading to greater problems. It could be that our confidence is a little shaky and we see zero tolerance as the only way to enforce a more orderly society ¿ by forcing the hand of those who police our streets.

    But isn't it true that we'd rather have policemen and women who employed common sense when it came to offending? When, if an offence isn't too serious, we're happy to rely on their discretion to determine the best way to handle it to stop repeat offending?

    A perceived lack of police on our streets, visible social breakdown, ludicrously light punishments and poor response to non-targeted categories of crime all contribute to a public perception that our 'service' isn't serving us too well. We may want our police to employ common sense when it comes to offending, but we also know that target driven policing distorts policing priorities away from those the public wants in favour of those short term fixes the politicians want. We suspect that because their priorities have been diverted elsewhere, an officer isn't necessarily going to take the right decision for the right reasons, and would perhaps rather get back on 'target'. And you know the sad thing? I think that perception is correct.”

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    by Alex, Bristol

    Thursday, August 07 2008, 5:19PM

    “Ah ha!!! More sensationalist news from the Newspaper group that brings you The Daily (hate) Mail!!”

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    by PROFESSOR BHUPINDER SINGH, BRISTOL

    Thursday, August 07 2008, 4:02PM

    “Knife Crime is a serious problem and has not to be taken lightly.”

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    by Stanley Upright, Withywood

    Thursday, August 07 2008, 2:01PM

    “Knife crime? Well, only the other day I caught a youth trying to eat some fish with a cheese knife!!
    What is the world coming to? Tell me!”

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    by KAy, Bradley Stoke

    Thursday, August 07 2008, 1:57PM

    “Please bear in mind that not all people who carry knives are thugs who are intent to use them violently. My Grandma always carries a knife with her to peel and core the fruit that she keeps in her bag as a snack when out. I'm not saying that we have anepidemic of youthful fruit peelers but there may be legitimate or plausible explainations that were given to police - Hence the let-offs”

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    by Jim, Upper Bedminster

    Thursday, August 07 2008, 1:43PM

    “Why aren't they paying for their knives like everyone else has to?

    And, why are youths being caught with knives when a net or lassoo would do the job without all the resulting mess to clean up?”

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