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Monday, July 30, 2012
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A TOWN councillor has been accused of bigotry after describing a neighbouring area as an "Indian reservation".

Roger Avenin made the comment during an online argument on a community news website.

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    Roger Avenin

The Bradley Stoke town councillor, who represents the Baileys Court ward for the Conservatives, intervened in a debate on politics triggered by the defection of fellow Tory councillor Kim Harris to the UK Independence Party, as reported in the Post last week.

During the discussion Mr Avenin, who chairs the town council's finance committee, asked other people who had made comments: "Do you even live here or are you, as I suspect, refugees from the Patchway Indian reservation?"

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Dave Tiley, a Patchway Labour town councillor, was one of those commenting in the thread on the Bradley Stoke Journal.

Mr Tiley described Mr Avenin's remark as "bigotry" – and said he would make a complaint to South Gloucestershire Council, whose standards committee deals with complaints about possible breaches of the Members Code of Conduct by town and parish councillors.

Mr Tiley told the Post: "I find Bradley Stoke Conservative councillor Roger Avenin's remarks offensive as bigotry towards my friends, neighbours, constituents and all the good people of Patchway.

"I have heard this offensive term used against council house tenants previously, and it's clearly unacceptable from anyone, let alone an elected representative."

The Post attempted to contact Mr Avenin but he was unavailable.

But after being criticised for making the remark online he posted an explanation, which said: "As regards my remark on the Patchway reservation – Patchway seems to be a predominantly Labour enclave in the middle of what should be, and what I hope is, predominantly more or less Conservative heartland.

"I was merely comparing this with the treatment meted out by the settlers to the native Red Indians where they were rounded up and settled in reservations.

"Exactly what should happen to Labour voters — just joking!!"

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  • Profile image for MartinPFarmer

    by MartinPFarmer

    Thursday, August 02 2012, 9:08AM

    “dtiley: We now clearly (but not surprisingly) understand what the local Conservative Party think of communities such as Patchway and the people who live there. Cllr Avenin's/ Conservative Party position regarding council tenants is noted for the future. Cllr Avenin and his supporters dont believe he made an error of judgement, which speaks volumes.”

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    by JRumpole

    Wednesday, August 01 2012, 7:10PM

    “Just think if Labour councillors Like Mr Tiley spent the same amount of time working on things like saving the airfield or saving highwood road as they do writing comments on here, they just might have more success, as it is Labour continue to fail people miserably...”

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    by RemoteControl

    Wednesday, August 01 2012, 6:56PM

    “But it's true, the place does look like an Indian reservation.”

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    by dtiley

    Wednesday, August 01 2012, 6:34PM

    “Nice reply Roger

    Obviously no need to apologise, your support here indicates you must be right. Yes I need the publicity as so hurt you don't remember our amicable afternoon together with your dog. Clearly I'm delicate as diagnosed by Mrs Rumpole, I get to lie on her couch when I can drag myself away from chasing little arrows. You're not in my world Roger, and it seems I'm not allowed in yours, perhaps the Journal can put up a firewall to eliminate non-residents views, why not build a gated community? It will keep out the undesirables, be they political or otherwise, though this isn't politics at our town level, just community work, only for a headline of course, as it's a lost cause at District level. All political careers end in failure, just some sooner than others, hope you continue to climb and get recompense for your time. It's easier when you know where people really stand. I'll leave SGC decide what is appropriate or not, I'm no judge of that it seems, so happy to bury the hatchet, Et Tu Brute?”

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    by JRumpole

    Wednesday, August 01 2012, 3:57PM

    “RogerAve

    dont worry as Mr Tiley is clearly sitting at his pC clicking the rating button on his own little posts...pathetic and all that is wron with labour councillors..all mouth and no political weight whatsoever....happy to climb on the back of any cause he thinks he can grab a headline from.”

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    by RogerAve

    Wednesday, August 01 2012, 12:38PM

    “By RogerAve

    Having returned from several days away I was amazed to see the brouha arising from my comment - all stirred up by Dave Tiley ( presumably he needs the publicity ).

    I had'nt realized that Dave was such what a delicate, tender, flower but if he hopes to make his way in local politics then he needs to develop a far harder shell as I am sure he will hear much worse than this.

    Yes the comment was intended as a put down tinged with sarcasm, but with intended humourous results - that obviously did not find any resonance in Dave's world. He obviously needs to work on his sense of humour ( or lack of it ). I was becoming fed up with Dave's continued comments on the local journal. A journal that purports to represent issues affecting Bradley Stoke.

    I do not honestly remember Dave but when I canvassed Patchway I have to say I met many very pleasant, intelligent people who were able to hold wonderful conversations. Sadly I also encountered many more who, how can I phrase this, were not wonderful at all. If our paths ever cross in the future I hope Dave will resist the temptation to try to bury his tommohawk in the side of my shull.

    regards and best wishes”

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    by lolly60

    Wednesday, August 01 2012, 10:12AM

    “@Lone_Ranger
    DRIFT yes not driff i pressed the wrong key”

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    by lolly60

    Wednesday, August 01 2012, 10:09AM

    “And you cant just visit these 2 clubs they are a members only club”

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    by lolly60

    Wednesday, August 01 2012, 10:08AM

    “@dtiley
    Have been in both just a few weeks ago and they are very badly in need of refurbishment ,like i said they both need a lot doing to them and the mananger of the Labour club is Sharon not sean i think due to he has a court case to sort of before he can do any thing as a manager.They are a very nice couple and i hope they do well as i have know both for a good many years (also i am a member of the sports club)
    And as for missing your drift i was commenting about something someone said on here not anything else ,so i didnt miss your point i just didnt comment on it”

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    by msmungam

    Wednesday, August 01 2012, 9:38AM

    “Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Well words like bigot and racist are all intended to silence it in it's tracks. I see nothing wrong with calling something what it is. Far worse things in life to deal with than this pettiness.”

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