Council-run pub fails to pull in a profit

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Wednesday, November 26, 2008
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A Bristol pub believed to be the only one in Britain to be run by a town council, is at the centre of an investigation to see if local householders are getting good value for their council tax.

Concern is growing that the Ratepayers Arms in Filton is not making enough money and action needs to be taken to help it become more profitable.

The pub is part of the Filton Sports and Leisure Centre in Elm Park, tucked at the back of the building, and at one time was included in the Campaign for Real Ale's Good Beer Guide. But at best it only makes a small operating profit and historically it runs at a loss.

Now Filton Town Council has set up a working party to carry out a full review of the pub, which has been in business for the past 27 years.

Councillor Adam Monk, vice-chairman of the finance committee, said he believed the pub could be more lucrative.

He said: "It caters for a very small element of the community but could cater for a greater part and make a better return.

"It's not particularly well marketed and, like any pub, it has its busy and quiet times. Sometimes there is no-one in there. It's a great facility for the community, but it should make a profit.

"I've proposed looking at the costs to see what can be stripped out, to promote it and identify what people want. Some people believe there's a hidden agenda to close it, but that's not the case at all."

Mr Monk said one of the controversial issues was live entertainment staged on Sunday evenings. He said: "We're not getting the numbers in. If we put on entertainment, we should not be subsidising it. It may be that people do want live music but perhaps it's being offered on the wrong day or it shouldn't be organised so often."

Mr Monk said he enjoyed a pint of real ale or stout and had a choice of three real ales in the Ratepayers Arms – reduced from five some years ago and with a Butcombe beer the best-seller. But he said the number could be reduced to two to prevent wastage and the working party will also look at opening hours.

Currently the pub is open at lunchtimes in the week and again in the evening, while at weekends it is open from noon to 11.30pm.

In a motion agreed by the council, Mr Monk said: "Any spend by the council of taxpayers' money should be on the basis that it will be of benefit to the large majority of Filton residents, achieving a greater good and not for a chosen few."

He said it was difficult to get all operating figures as the pub was part of the sports complex and such outgoings as electricity costs could not be isolated from the overall bill. But he said the pub made a net profit of £1,501 in 2007-08, which included £6,000 from rental of a flat on site.

Pub manager John Beese said: "Some people in Filton don't even know the pub is here. Some think it's a members-only bar but in fact anyone can use it. It should be promoted a bit more."

His wife, Heather – who produces a range of bar snacks from toasted sandwiches and pies to the most expensive meal of chicken and chips at just £3.50 – welcomed being asked by the working party for ideas.

She said: "There are times in the day when the pub is closed but it could be opened up then for other uses. We have some ideas and have given them to the council."

At Wednesday lunchtime, the Ratepayers Arms had three customers by 1pm. One didn't want to be named but blamed the introduction of a smoking ban a year before it was stopped nationwide on customers going elsewhere.

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    by max0109, bristol

    Wednesday, January 21 2009, 11:56AM

    “I feel completely ripped off by The Ratepayers Arms! If I could get away with not paying my council tax then I would, as I do not see why I should fork out to keep miserable rude arrogant people in the job. The food is disgusting and I have many a time found a hair ball in a roll. They take off drinks that people like and put on the rubbish that doesn't sell! They have the same acts with the same songs all year round, nothing new seems to be introduced. And as for a comedy night, well the place itself is a big joke at times. It would be cheaper to close it down, or turn it into something useful like a gym. And by the sounds of it you could make 6000pounds a year with just the flat on the premises, which is alot more than 1500 a year running both. So common sense seems to get rid of the bar and reduce all our council tax or spend the council tax on something useful!”

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    by Tom Boyse, Filton

    Thursday, December 18 2008, 9:48AM

    “I'm disgusted that the taxpayers are expected to pay through the nose for a bar that is failing. The rate payers may have made £1500 last year, but with current predictions for next years economic climate, the Ratepayers will be lucky if it only loses £1500! Every business needs to be self sufficient and managed properly.

    Myself and a lot of my colleagues play squash, go for a beer after and spend our hard earned money in this establishment. Lets get some intiatives together to reduce cost and increase profit!! Wifi would be a good idea so us young professionals have somewhere quiet to sit at lunchtime and use the internet. I'd get rid of the aging band as well. As musically talented as they are, they dont inspire young people to go and see them. This needs to be addressed swiftly.

    I'd definitely also look to reduce the selection of beers, as there must be a lot of wastage.

    Time for a change and to get with the times.

    I get the impression that the Rate Payers Arms is a bit of a 'boys club' and those that dont want the change form part of that club. I'd like to remind them that its a community bar and we want to see improvements. Once we see these, maybe more people will be walking through the door!”

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    by louise Walsh, Bristol

    Sunday, December 14 2008, 4:36PM

    “During this "Credit Crunch" time I think it is crazy that us tax payers are funding a failing bar. The RatePayers arms is old fashioned and not very welcoming in. When I go out for a local drink I like comfortable sourings and good company, at present the Ratepayers does not offer this. Most pubs now have a lounge feeling with wifi access and comfy sofas, Maybe the councillors need to research modern bars, and deliver something for todays modern community, If it was a lounge bar I could relax in check emails have a fresh coffee or glass of vino after work or between lectures it would certainley save me catching a bus to these such places on Gloucester Road.”

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    by GingerRog, Bristol

    Thursday, November 27 2008, 7:43PM

    “It was the non-smokers who wanted this ban - where are they now after ranting on about the smoke in pubs - nowhere to be seen. All we have now is a lot of failing pubs.”

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    by paganlass, Essex

    Thursday, November 27 2008, 6:18PM

    “I would be disgusted if any of my council tax went to propping up a pub.
    It should be the hundreds of thousands of non smokers that are flocking to the pubs now that they don't have to go home 'stinking' who should be spending enough money to keep the pub afloat.”

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