Climate campaigners place Asbos onto 'Chelsea tractors' in Clifton

“"Riding like an idiot on the pavement is no way to behave but in the grand scheme of things it is a relatively small problem." - Harry Holmes

Walk through Bristol and open your eyes, this is not a relatively small problem.

Also you attempt to portray those riding on pavement as a small amount of 'yobs', this is not the case, a broad range of people from teenagers to businessmen and women seem to think they have the right in Bristol to use pavements like a warm up route for a cycling race.”

“Its an interesting article.

For me, I do actually find the huge number of 4x4's absolutely perplexing as they are expensive, impractical (for the city) and also environmentally harmful.

But it is a free country, and people can choose what they drive and where they drive it.

A couple of years ago I sold my Audi estate car as i did not need to travel any further than 10 miles daily. I traded it in for a compact city car and to be honest never looked back.

I can park on a sixpence, fill it up for £50 and tax it for nothing.

I think its part of modern life that people (especially the yummy mummy M&S set) put image and status before practicalities.

If only they could learn to park the darned things properly then that would be progress...”

“Living in Ashton, illegal parking is always a problem around City home games, concerts or Balloon Fiesta. BCC used to have a downloadable leaflet about parking on its website, clearly stating pavement parking is illegal, parking with any part of your vehicle overhanging a dropped kerb is illegal and a few others. But for some reason the sheet is no longer available, but i did print a copy to show footie "fans" that my driveway is not a parking spot. Lets be honest, blocking pavements is done by the selfish and lazy, not just by 4x4s. Causing wheelchair users, parents pushing prams into a road by blocking a pavement is nothing but a selfish act. As for the above protesters, they should try to educate, not just get peoples backs up with those silly posters.”

“And precisely what does illegal pavement parking have to do with illegal pavement cycling? Other than making it more difficult, that is...”

“I wish they would come to Montpelier and shame all those who own old buses and vans that put out more pollution than modern 4x4's.”

“Ah, you're right. I wouldn't waste the time and effort.


The leaflet would just be left on the roadside where the car was parked.

How ironic that their envirnmental campaign leaflets are now littering Bristols streets?

Maybe I can sue them for that instead?”

“"if I came back To mine and found this leafler on it I'd sue these numptys for criminal damage."

Go on, try it, the magistrate will laugh you out of court or charge you with malicious prosecution for bringing a claim without Probable Cause.

The police tried this one on a protester writing in washable chalk on the pavement (see 'criminal chalkist' blogspot recording the case). The magistrate reprimanded the police for undue interference with the right to peaceful protest and dismissed the case.”

“Utter nonsense from the usual loonys...

Are they sticking these ASBOs on 4 X 4s in general or only ones illegally parked?

Because if I came back To mine and found this leafler on it I'd sue these numptys for criminal damage.

Modern 4X4s will spew less in the way of emissions than many older, smaller cars.

And have you ever seen a 4X4 cause an obstruction when parked legally? Of course not.

Modern parking spaces account for these vehicles”

“Law and ethics are different matters. Hopefully law mostly approximately follows ethics, but not vice versa. If something is legal that does not mean it is right morally, and if it is immoral -including anti-social behaviour, sooner or later it will hopefully end up being illegal as well. Arguing 'it's legal so it's morally okay' is a totally illogical argument - slavery used to be legal too!

I have relatively less problem with people driving 4x4s in the city than with the constantly shocking frequency of car drivers intentionally using their vehicles as weapons against pedestrians and cyclists, and just generally not looking where they're going, while driving far too fast in residential areas.

I only cycled for years, now I have to drive to get to work, but I could still count the number of times *ever* I've encountered an anti-social cyclist on my fingers, but I encounter incredibly inconsiderate, aggressive, and just plain dozey car drivers normally at least a few a day.

In my experience, the most aggressive car drivers are in Clifton. Once I've even called the police and reported a vehicle's registration number for intentionally accelerating towards pedestrians in the middle of crossing the road.

A lot of older car drivers especially, who didn't have to do the theory test on the Highway Code and haven't cycled on the roads since the roads became 10x busier than when they were young, are incredibly inconsiderate to cyclists e.g. who can't accelerate as fast away from traffic lights up hills. By law, cyclists have just as much right to use the roads and to take up a lane, even if they're going a bit slower than you want to, you still don't have the right to terrorise them.”

“@CurtisHewitt - "Sorry if I misread"

No problems. The problem highlited is the pavement being obstructed. If they don't mind cyclists obstructing it then it weakens their cause for targeting 4x4's.”