Bristol MP stunned by expenses relevations
Bristol South MP Dawn Primarolo said she was "stunned" when the revelations about MPs' expenses first emerged.
The newly-promoted minister for children, young people and families said: "I know other MPs talked about their allowances to each other but I never talked about mine to anyone.
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Bristol MP Dawn Primarolo says she was stunned by the expenses relevations
"I just assumed that we all did more or less the same thing."
Ms Primarolo, 55, has not claimed any food allowance for the two years 2007/08 and 2006/07.
She claimed £150 for the year 2005/06.
MPs are entitled to claim up to £400 a month – a possible £14,400.
In the year 2004/05 she claimed £1,400.
"I just didn't feel comfortable with claiming my food allowance," she said.
"I had it in mind that if I was standing on the doorstep of one of my constituents, how would I be able to explain it.
"I ended up just not wanting to do it.
"Some MPs claim their food allowance and they are perfectly entitled to do so but I choose not to."
She is angry that all MPs have been tarred with the same brush over expenses despite the fact that many of them have tried to stick within the spirit of the rules.
"What has become clear is that, for some MPs, it was presented to them as an entitlement, rather than an allowance."
She said this culture stemmed back to the Thatcher years when there was a national controversy over MPs' pay being linked to the same pay scales as senior civil servants.
The pay increase was never implemented but a deal was struck to introduce allowances.
"That's how it grew up – it was perceived as part of your terms and conditions," said Ms Primarolo, who has been Labour MP for Bristol South since 1987.
"I have got an anger that we have all been tarred with the same brush.
"I don't know how some MPs decide what they are claiming. I can't explain it – it is something they must explain for themselves."
As far as Ms Primarolo is concerned, her main home is in Bristol.
But due to Parliamentary regulations, she was forced to change her main home to her flat in London during her early years as a Treasury minister.
It means that the costs in mortgage interest during the first part of her 2004/05 claim are far lower than when she claims for her London home, but running costs are greater.
When the regulations changed, Ms Primarolo changed her main home back to Bristol.
She hopes that the Kelly review on expenses during the summer will recognise that MPs do need financial help to discharge their duties in their constituencies and the House of Commons.
"We can't go to a situation where the only people who are MPs are those that are wealthy enough to cover their costs," she said.
She added that it wasn't reasonable to expect MPs to live out of a suitcase in a hotel for three or four days a week.
On the other hand, it was wrong to have a system which could be abused.
"It needs to be specified what is justified to claim and everything else is excluded," she said.
Ms Primarolo said the level of censorship of MPs' expenses when they were officially published nearly two weeks ago was "ridiculous".
She said MPs had to be protected against identity fraud and the confidentiality of staff also had to be honoured.
But beyond these "basics", she saw no reason to blank out large amounts of MPs' expense documents.
Ms Primarolo showed her uncensored office claims to the Evening Post – she had done the same with her personal expenses before both sets were officially published on a Parliamentary internet list.
They revealed some extraordinary examples of censorship in the extreme by the Fees Office at the House of Commons.
Some of the examples include a claim for a £3.50 bus ticket, the back of a Staples receipt for a £149.99 fax machine and the back of a Tesco receipt for a £14.92 curved keyboard.
Some receipts which were submitted for office copies of national newspapers from a newsagents in East Street, Bedminster show some blanked out sections. These were because a member of staff bought other items at the same time which were not claimed. One example was a lip balm for £1.69.
Ms Primarolo said many people didn't realise that office running costs were taken out of the hands of MPs so that all the bills – apart from a few exceptions such as TV licence and Data Protection Act payments – are sent to the Fees Office for payment.
Sometimes, members of Ms Primarolo's staff might buy an item for the office on their own credit card which then has to be claimed back from the Fees Office. An example of this was the £149.99 fax machine which staff wanted to see for themselves before buying.
In her office expenses, there are two entries for £250 for petty cash which is used to buy sundry items and which are logged in a cash book in the office, together with receipts.
Ms Primarolo employs five staff – three full-time and two part-time – at her Bedminster office who deal with constituency work.
They are employed by Ms Primarolo but paid by the Fees Office, according to laid down pay scales.
She does not employ anyone in London.
The office is rented from the Labour Party for £5,000 a year, which includes gas, electric, business rates and water rates.
The office expense documents show an estate agents' valuation for the property last year of £325 – a task which has to be carried out every year in order to make sure the rental for the office is the going rate.
Last year, staff dealt with 3,707 cases. These fall into two main categories – people with problems that need help to get sorted out and those with queries on Government policy or how Ms Primarolo stands on a given issue.
The nature of the constituency with its 77,000 voters south of the river and west of the Wells Road means that the vast bulk of problems relate to anti-social behaviour and housing.
Even if a constituent contacts her by email, Ms Primarolo insists that everyone gets a signed letter from her.
"As soon as someone makes contact with us, we start to try to sort it out," she said.
Ms Primarolo spends most Fridays based in her Bristol office, signing letters and holding surgeries either by phone, personal appointment or visiting streets where voters have been leafleted and encouraged to leave a sign in their window if they want to see their MP.
Ms Primarolo, who has held ministerial posts since 1997, even does cold calling on Saturday and Sunday mornings to find out what issues people face and how they think the Government is dealing with what matters to them.
"It's important to me that I concentrate on the things that they want me to in order to make a difference to the quality of their lives," she said.
Ms Primarolo has voted against and refused to accept the two last pay rises for MPs.
It means she receives £56,937 (gross) as an MP and a top up of £38,000 (gross) for being a minister. After stoppages, she receives a total of £64,318 (net).
2007/08
Mortgage interest payments: £15,817
Food: nothing clamed
Utlilities: £407
Council tax: £1,780
TV licence: £112.35
2006/07
Mortgage interest payments: £14,435
Food: nothing claimed
Utilities: £333
Council tax: £1,578
TV licence: £80.73
2005/06
Mortgage interest payments: £15,388
Food: £150
Utilities: £365
Council tax: £1,804
TV licence: £80.97
2004/05
Mortgage interest payments: £10,475
Food: £1,400
Utilities: £650.50
Council tax: £1,494
TV licence and satellite rental: £348.16











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by Jack, Southville
Sunday, July 12 2009, 10:40PM
“Did Ian Onions write this piece of nonsense?
Disgraceful, supine journalism that fails to mention the Telegraph's 'stunning' revelation of Dawn's flipping.
Has Mr. Onions explained why he completely missed this?
Has Dawn apologised for her hypocrisy and profiteering at our expense?
We deserve better journalism and better politicians than this.”
by Steve, S.West
Saturday, July 11 2009, 10:44AM
“Reading all these comments brings back the anger I felt when she replied to a suggestion we made for the Youth of South Bristol.
A large elderly persons home was becoming vacant. It would have made an excellent training facility for young people to learn construction methods.Her answer... in her constituency lets not forget "What you are proposing is very good, but it's hypothetical, as we have no way of knowing it will be money well spent" !!!!!!!!!!!
Well, our MPs, of all shades, certainly know how to spend money. The above conversation had a profound effect on how I now view polititians. The Telegraph revelations are just about the icing on the cake!”
by Daria, Clifton
Wednesday, July 01 2009, 3:11PM
“Good job the Telegraph got hold of the uncensored expenses or we might never have know what Dawn was up to!
"Dawn Primarolo The Childrens and Families Minister claimed second home expenses for her constituency home in Bristol until 2004, when she flipped her expense claims to her London flat.
Overnight her monthly claims for mortgage interest went up from £317 to £1,313. Having claimed a relatively modest £12,553 in 2003-04, Miss Primarolo's total claims under the Additional Costs Allowance rose sharply after the move, and by 2007-08 she was claiming the maximum permissible amount of £23, 083.
Miss Primarolo also claimed for council tax, utilities, a cleaner and for her TV licence."”
by Martin, Clifton
Wednesday, July 01 2009, 9:06AM
“Once again a new Labourite manages to put part of the blame on Thatcher. Dawn, new Labour have been in power for 12 years, your party (with its sympathetic Speaker) wrote the current rules. You have no excuses for either fiddling the system (flipping your house) or standing by whilst other MPs do. A TV is a luxury item by government standards as it needs a licence, yet you are claiming for this.
As for "MPs claiming for food which they are entitled to do", these are rules that you (MPs) have written yourselves, and your defence just shows how you don't understand the public anger over this.
Time for you to go.”
by Anon, Southville, nr the Hen & Chicken
Wednesday, July 01 2009, 6:09AM
“Have had several dealings with this woman over the past years, she is totally useless and I can't beleive she still has a job after all these years....”