“You were there were you Jerry? . Wow! . Not many people ever are. . Incidentally , I don't SLAG PEOPLE OFF, I offer constructive, well thought through comment. . And unlike you I don't have a problem with any section of society. . I have good friends in, and have been a good 'servant' to, all echelons. . . Foxes are vermin. . They have to be controlled. . If people had a need to wear the uniform of a Red coat whilst going about that function so to be visible out in the field and blow hunting horns, I see no problem with that. . Now political fools have made hunting illegal. . But this country is going To Hell in Hand Cart. .”

“Charles i have seen kills and i've seen the people enjoy it. It wasn't all that long ago you were slagging someone because they said all hunting was about was people dressing up in fancy clothes and chasing a dumb animal. Now you are saying that is what they do. We will never agree on this as you said in another posting. Hunting foxes is cruel. The Countryside Alliance spread the most scandalous lies they could in saying riding stables would close down,hounds would be killed in their thousands,all lies. More people go hunting then ever before. I have friends who go out with the hunt and they do it because they enjoy riding and joined a local hunt because the ban on killing foxes is in place. The ban on fox hunting has renewed people's interest in riding and joining social groups such as hunts is increasing. As usual you have a very narrow view of life,look at the wider picture. The ban on fox hunting is good for the countryside. It might not suit your blood thirsty idea of sport but the pro fox killers will cut their noses off to spite their faces. If as the Tory party says it will appeal the law i hope they realise the buisness they will be losing people in the country.
The countryside Aliance are so bigeted that they won't admit that they tried to con the public.”

“Jerry you talk such emotive nonsense at times. . . People don't kill foxes because they 'like' killing them; . no more than they kill rats or mink because they 'like' killing them. . Foxes are vermin that take livestock. . People were paid to hunt them to keep the numbers down. . A tradition of following the hunt and the chase has grown up over the centuries giving people an opportunity to dress up and ride over land that otherwise may not have been available to them. . . That's it. There is nothing sinister. . Most people never ever witness a kill. . No more than they sit and wait for a mouse to be caught in a mouse trap after they've set it. . They just wait for the 'click' and think. "We've got one!". . Then the least squeamish amongst them has the job of removing it. . . Start thinking of foxes as damned great mice, then you might loose less sleep over it. . People calling it a 'sport' is probably a great misnomer.”

“I enjoy meat and i enjoy fish. So why should anyone who is against hunting be a vegetarian because that is what you are saying. You seem to be under the impression that because i appose hunting i appose the rest,that is not so. I have campaigned on hunting and hunting alone,which my right to protest. May i remind you it is not your right to hunt and kill foxes. To throw all the rest into the pot is a way to throw people off the scent,the real crux of the matter and is that you like to hunt and kill foxes. I have been at the end of a hunt on more than one occasion in the past and the look on the huntsmen's faces when a fox is thrown alive to the hounds is one of excitement and complete happiness. I have the films and the pictures and the names to prove it going back many years. If you want to support that, so be it. It is your choice,as it my choice to oppose it.”

“"Anti-hunt and animal rights people are one and the same." Are they the same people who have planted incendiary devices in meat wagons, terrorised those involved in medical research and dug up somebodies grandmother? A strange definition of being "against abuse"”

“Same old same old from the anti-hunting anti-farming anti-countryside propaganda brigade. Let them have their way and disaster is on the cards.
If every animal bird fish and insect is sacred how on earth do we farm the land to produce enough to eat or grow enough timber etc. Animal species and habitat is what is most import not banning the plough from every field because one worm might be harmed.
Just because they refer to their movement as 'animal rights' it does not mean they are right or have the right to disregard or disrespect those of us, the vast majority, who choose to enjoy eating meat. Perhaps they regard themselves as a more superior race to the ret of us.
If people really understood the animal rights movement would deprive them of their Sunday roast , family pets and the heart drugs that keep granny alive we would soon see the end of what little support they have.
A few animal rights terrorist and a small animal rights movement are the ones standing in the way of sound animal welfare and real conservation.”

“Sorry; I mean JERRY. . Freudian slip.”

“Justin and I just amuse ourselves on these pages AG. . He and I know we disagree, but we still banter. . . Whereas you seem to always take yourself very seriously. . . I don't expect to ever change your mind, but I do really enjoy getting under your skin.”

“Think again Charles. Go over to WMN and look at your exchanges with Justin. It is not an argruement but just plain stupidity. Your form humour is best placed in the playground. Now will you get back to the debate instead of making excuses. Some of us takes this seriously.”

“Jerry on NO occasion have I been offensive to you or anybody else. . I simply provoke argument. . And I normally try and rise above your petty remarks. . . I put 'caps' on the table but you so very often pick them up; try them on; find they fit, and then start wearing them. . I think the problem is, the Liberal Left who have caused so many problems for this country, just aren't used to being argued with so regularly and effectively.”