Bendy buses will get held up in Bristol traffic, inquiry told
BRISTOL should invest in its rail network rather than pour millions of pounds into a new bendy bus route, a public inquiry heard.
Opponents of the proposed £50 million Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) route between Bristol city centre and Ashton Vale said vehicles using the route would get held up in the city's traffic-clogged streets, resulting in unimproved journey times.
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How the BRT buses might look on their new routes
Christina Biggs, of the 200-member pressure group the Friends Of Suburban Bristol Railways (FOSBR), yesterday spoke out against BRT at an inquiry being held to decide the route's fate. She said commuters were more likely to quit travelling into the city by car if a decent rail service was available as an alternative.
Mrs Biggs said: "I don't think BRT will cause a modal shift to the bus. If you promoted light rail or heavy rail, people are more likely to shift."
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She said Bristol City Council and North Somerset Council, the two authorities behind the BRT plans, should consider light rail rather than a guided bus way, which she said was now considered an outdated system.
Mrs Biggs said: "There has been a culture shift towards light rail. Norman Baker (transport minister) is promoting light rail.
"We maintain that bus is an old culture promoted by the previous government and the BRT proposal is a relic of that.
"It's out of fashion and we should be thinking about the new system of light rail."
Mrs Biggs also said FOSBR were concerned that the BRT route would involve making changes to the harbour railway, ending the possibility of it being expanded and brought back into use for passenger services by connecting it to the main network.
She said: "You could lay the tracks down again. The trains used to run from Ashton Gate, across the swing bridge to Wapping Wharf and through a tunnel under St Mary Redcliffe to Temple Meads.
"You could have a light rail system down to M shed. It's more aesthetically pleasing than a bus, which would bring more noise and pollution and destroy the ambiance of the harbourside.
"I don't think the BRT would bring a big improvement when travelling from Temple Meads because buses will be running along the normal congested roads. It's only on the guided section (between Cumberland Road and Ashton Vale) that things would speed up."
Of using a light rail system instead, she told the inquiry: "Something quieter and more unobtrusive would be worth the extra cost."
On the 11th day of the inquiry, being held at Armada House, off Baldwin Street, planning inspector Christopher Millns also heard from transport campaigner Brian Lomas.
Mr Lomas, representing Tram Forward, the campaigning arm of Light Rail Transit Association, backed Mrs Biggs' view that investing in rail was the best way forward.
He said the benefit of a light rail system was it was a "completely guided system", as opposed to the less reliable BRT, which would run on roads as well as along guided sections of bus way.
Mr Lomas, who believes tram trains could eventually serve the city centre from Temple Meads, said: "We feel this is the wrong route and the wrong mode. It's come largely, I believe, from the pressure that it's very difficult to get a tramway approved.
"This is a poor system and will have little benefit to Bristol. It's a big expenditure at a difficult economic time.
"We should look at a properly integrated system, based around the current rail system we have."
The inquiry, which started last month, is set to last six weeks.




Comments
by green_man
Sunday, June 17 2012, 10:04PM
“@ Gavin - yes, that's a good example illustrating bendy bus problems - they are heavy and long, have a lot of inertia, acclerate poorly and dont change direction that well.”
by Gavin
Sunday, June 17 2012, 9:07PM
“Just look at the bendy-bus that's already in use for the Brislington park+ride. Watch it pulling out in front of other traffic, stopping on box junctions and jumping lights - that's the only way that it can manage to make progress in Bristol traffic”
by green_man
Saturday, June 16 2012, 10:20PM
“Some interesting description and before and after pictures here:
http://tinyurl.com/7wwf978
and also here:
http://tinyurl.com/6owlm8t”
by HarveyNix
Saturday, June 16 2012, 3:40PM
“Green Man... I was pointing out there is a tunnel so that commenters know where to look. This thread is not all about you, and some comments on here are not personal attacks - chill out”
by katachua
Saturday, June 16 2012, 3:11PM
“@green_man
Sorry, you're quite right about what you wrote. A huge pity that route was blocked, but that's Beeching for you :-(”
by green_man
Saturday, June 16 2012, 2:15PM
“@ HarveyNix - you obviously have not read my last comment below (or are just posting as a wind up), because I say there is a tunnel myself (though the tunnel never went all the way to Temple Meads - its entrances were at Pump Lane and near the Ostrich Pub). My point in the original post and since was not that there was not a tunnel but that making the tunnel a working?usable one, up to modern standards, connecting it at either end and to Temple Meads or wherever in the system and overcoming a whole host of potential problems was impractical and likely to be relatively too costly. Because there has been a working tunnel before does not mean that bringing it back into use now is practical and cost-effective.”
by HarveyNix
Saturday, June 16 2012, 12:31PM
“But there is a tunnel under St Mary Redcliffe...Google Bristol Harbour Railway”
by green_man
Friday, June 15 2012, 11:37PM
“@tarmacman and katachua
"green_man said about the impossiblity of a tunnel under St Mary Redcliffe - It already exists and the Post report stated this."
It certainly does - many years ago I walked through it..."
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I did not say anything of the sort. Here a direct quote of what I actually said,
"...a tunnel under St Mary Redcliffe is both impractical and likely to be far too costly." Interesting how people change the vocabulary to suit their argument. Also interesting to see tarmacman wishing people would 'read properly' before posting comments when its obviously not something tarnacman practices given the made up quote.
The Bristol Harbour Railway did indeed include a tunnel under the church and also a steam powered bridge. Are you saying, however that making this tunnel suitable as part of a modern light rail system would be a cost-effective option compared with other options? That's my point.”
by HarveyNix
Friday, June 15 2012, 10:23PM
“1. Let's just hope that the new bus stops aren't in the middle of the road like the ones in old market, have you seen the retards (sorry pedestrians) that attempt to move between (sometimes) moving traffic.
2. If the BRT stops are in the middle of the road or anywhere else for that matter, can the experience be, less like a bus stop, and more, rapid..
3. No More Commas please - my grammar is awful, my gramma is in hospital, and my Commer is rusty
Nite all”
by katachua
Friday, June 15 2012, 9:30PM
“@tarmacman
"green_man said about the impossiblity of a tunnel under St Mary Redcliffe - It already exists and the Post report stated this."
It certainly does - many years ago I walked through it...”