Banned from being a Scout – because he doesn't believe in God
AN 11-year-old boy has been banned from joining his local Scout troop because he says he does not believe in God.
Because of his strong views, George Pratt said he is not able to make the Scout Promise which requires Scouts to promise to do their duty to God and the Queen.
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George Pratt at home
This means that as George, from Midsomer Norton, is not able to be invested as a full Scout he can no longer attend the group which meets opposite his home.
George had been going to Scouts for ten months when he was asked whether he wanted to be invested in the group, and his strong stand came to light when he and Scout leaders were discussing the Scout law and promise.
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He had been delighted to be asked to join the movement and had been excited about the prospect of becoming a Scout but is disappointed that he cannot continue.
His parents said they have to respect George's views but are disappointed that the Scouting movement takes such a narrow view.
Dad Nick said: "As a family we neither promote nor dismiss any religion and hold no firm views on God in any form, and have always let our children make up their own mind as and when they feel they can make an informed choice.
"This is George's choice and if he changes his mind in six months' time then that is fine by me, as long as he has made an informed choice."
Mr Pratt said he is surprised that the Scouting movement is not more tolerant.
He said: "George had the guts to stand up and admit his view and I believe the Scouts are being narrow minded when we are supposed to be tolerant."
Mr Pratt said George had been brought up to be courteous, kind and considerate.
He said that he personally felt that in a so-called tolerant age it was not tolerance at all but a fear of upsetting or reprisals and attempting to look politically correct at all costs.
Mr Pratt said: "To be invested into the Scouts you have to believe in a God, it does not say which religion that God is from, so you can be Muslim or Buddhist, but if you have the courage to stand up and admit that you do not believe in any God then look out because you are not welcome into the Scout community.
"This is regardless of the fact that you are sensitive, generous, kind and genuinely a good person."
Assistant director of media relations for the Scout Movement, Simon Carter, said: "All young people are required to make the Scout Promise if they wish to become a Scout.
"Variations of the Scout Promise are available for different faiths (such as the use of 'Allah' to replace 'God' for Muslim Scouts), however all the variations of the Promise recognise the 'Duty to God' element. Young people are required to show both an understanding (relevant to their age) and an acceptance of the promise before they become a member.
"Young people will not be refused membership solely because of their parents' beliefs or non-beliefs, however they are required to make the promise as outlined above.
"Furthermore, Scouting accepts that as they grow into independent adults, some young people may question or doubt the existence of God as they develop their personal spiritual understanding.
"Scouting believes that young people going through this process should be able to remain a Scout."




Comments
by Lone_Ranger
Saturday, October 20 2012, 6:04PM
“Bristolexpat, this is not christian bashing in the slightest. It's about institutional discrimination.”
by Mike_Hope
Saturday, October 20 2012, 5:14PM
“The power and privilege of organised religion is grossly out of proportion with the actual number of those who go to church/temple/mosque, who can be counted in thousands these days.
And now the god squad want to stop a little boy joining the scouts because he does not believe in religious superstition.
The truth is that the only reason anyone is religious is because they've had it drummed into them at an early age and just assume the fairy stories of the bible are true, despite the complete lack of evidence.
When will we have a government that stands up to religion in all its forms and stop religious privilege in its tracks?”
by Bristolexpat
Saturday, October 20 2012, 3:24AM
“Another "Christian" bashing report......
Seriously, if you want to join the scouts just say the pledge and crack on.
If you don't, then don't
But please, 11 year olds running to the papers acting all non-religious martyr?”
by Idreamofveg
Friday, October 19 2012, 9:51PM
“@PortisheadAH1 I was that woman! Or a very similar one. It's just the Scouts, not the Guides, that discriminate like this. Our local Scout group will probably go bust because they can't recruit enough adults with enough intelligence to run the accounts. Tough, eh?”
by FromMendip
Friday, October 19 2012, 7:48PM
“It's illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of their religion.
Yet it appears perfectly legal to discriminate against someone on the basis that they have no religion.”
by graham_hutter
Friday, October 19 2012, 4:10PM
“Quite right to.”
by PortisheadAH1
Friday, October 19 2012, 4:03PM
“A local lady applied some years ago to help at a local scout pack and when completing the form under the section religion, she wrote "No religion". She received a telephone call suggesting that she should change the form to C of E otherwise she may not be considered. It would appear honesty came second to religion in the priorities and that cannot be right.”
by geoffone1
Friday, October 19 2012, 3:55PM
“@pillowfight
Sounds like a pretty awesome example to children to me!”
by pillowfight
Friday, October 19 2012, 3:34PM
“A scout leader that breaks the cub-scout promise. Not a great example to the children are you?”
by geoffone1
Friday, October 19 2012, 3:27PM
“Pillowfight wrote "His surname tells you all you need to know."
Good for you, insulting an 11 year old! Very classy.”