Asylum seekers will get treatment

“@ nocarnival,
whilst canvassing, can you make sure the BNP do their moral duty to encourage lazy white Bristolians who claim benefits as they cannot be bothered to contribute to their community, stop having multiple children by multiple partners and keeping the local bookies and Special Brew in business.
Also a reminder that being black or Asian doesn't mean a person is an aslyum seeker or an immigrant they may have been born here and should be treated with the same respect as your fellow white BNP members.”

“At least nocarnival's BNP leaflets keep roadsweepers in work.”

“Leaflets have been ordered. :)”

“You may be right Harry. Asylum seekers and immigrants should not be given preferential treatment. As well as being wrong in itself, it stokes resentment, as you say.

Also, immigration itself needs to be more strictly controlled because of pressures on public services and the built enviroment, whilst allowing for incomers with the skills which the UK needs which can't be sourced from within its resident population.

Equally, we are morally obliged to accept our share of genuine asylum seekers, and legal immigrants should be given much the same treatment as everyone else.

An exception to this latter claim:- I think that some considerable time ought to elapse after their arrival before new immigrants become entitled to the same range of unemployment benefits as the natives.”

“How long this thread has been kept alive shows the depth of feeling on this this.

There are without doubt, genuine Asylum Seekers who need help but unfortunately for what seems like every one genuine you get 9 fake. It's the ones left behind in places like Somalia that really need our help not the richer ones who can afford the $10k+ journey to get here!

Living in Fishponds, NoCarnivalLOL will no doubt gain a lot of support on the weekend. Dozens of immigrants have been housed in Oldbury Court recently, no matter how hard people try to pretend the "priority housing for immigrants" doesn't exist, it does, it's right in front of your Eyes here - more ammo for Griffin!”

“We have decided to leaflet the Hillfields/Fishponds area next Saturday.”

“@Snowy
Well said. I agree with pretty much all of that.”

“@bristol expat

I'm sorry you feel that way. I think that perhaps you did not read an earlier post which I addressed to you. Perhaps I should re-present it, and then you can say whether you still find my outlook disagreeable.

You wrote
'As ever those who raise genuine concerns about asylum seekers get the usual names thrown at them.....
BNP, EDL, racist, thug, fascists, UKIP etc....
The usual failed argument.'

My reply:-
'Sorry, but I think you may have misunderstood the basis of my antagonism towards NoCarnival. I consider it perfectly legitimate to raise genuine concerns about asylum and immigration. I share some of them myself. I strongly believe that the UK needs stricter immigration controls, certainly stricter than it had under Labour. Otherwise the UK will end up with too many people, and far too much strain on public services and the built environment.

However, wanting stricter controls on immigration does not mean being anti-immigration per se. There was a time some decades ago, when the UK did need immigrants. They and their descendants live in the UK now. As a matter of fact, I myself immigrated as a young child.

Moreover, there is and will continue to be a need for immigrants to undertake various employments which for whatever reason cannot be undertaken by the native population.

Despite these two latter considerations, it remains critically important to limit the numbers, for the reasons given above.

In short, my antagonism towards NoCarnival is not based in idle leftwing finger-pointing. I completely agree with you if you think that witless lefty posturing closes down debate. I started talking about the BNP, because NoCarnival is a self-proclaimed member of the BNP, and they are fascist thugs. As a conservative, I consider fascism to be a vile creed on a moral par with nazism and communism.'”

“From the actual article itself:

"And whilst every effort is made to help asylum seekers it would surely be unfair and inappropriate for doctors to take them onto their lists ahead of people born in this country."

Just how loaded and provocative a statement is that? Inferring that anyone not born in this country is by default an asylum seeker.. and unfortunately,that kind of insidious statement is the sort Griffin & Co thrive upon.

There are plenty of people who weren't physically born on these islands who are nonetheless British and contribute fully to society. Further, Asylum Seekers proper are people who genuinely face extreme discrimination, torture or death if they return to their country of origin - these are the people that do deserve our compassion, as opposed to the ones who merely claim the above but actually just want a cushier life on our tab. But just because the latter are abundantly evident it doesn't mean the former don't exist, and it's their welfare this kind of rabble-rousing are in danger of jeopardising.

Before anyone starts frothing at the mouth, I agree that straightforward illegal, economic immigrants should just be deported. But people in genuine, prove-able peril? They deserve compassion.”

“Agree with @harryreg.

A simple statement of fact on the state of this country.

Don't agree with NoCarnivaLOL, although respect that he believes in something and is getting off his backside to do something about whatever he believes in.

John_Name, Commenter and the rest are just a joke.

Hurling insults on here wont change anything. Get out there and do something if you feel so strongly about it.”