“@ Paul
Apologies for offending you but I find views like the one you published (to the tune of "You can't keep giving people appeal after appeal, if they are here illegally which they were found to be ,then sorry they have to be deported,") hard to stomach. I did not mean to personally attack you but rather the prevalence of views like yours and the related ignorance (that you, yourself have admitted to) regarding current UK policy determining entry into the country and the subsequent treatment for different foreign national groups.

Basically my fundamental point is that if you are not familiar with the requirements asked of asylum seekers by the UK governments then how can you be of the opinion that if they are denied access to the country then they should be deported? Surely this requires knowledge of the grounds on which their plea could be dismissed? For example, even if a particular asylum seekers claim is looked into by the Border agency and found to be legitimate, as in it is accepted that the return to their home country would put them at high risk of death or injury or other harms, that they could still be detained and even deported simply for not having the necessary identification documentation such as a valid passport or for even missing or being late to a check-up appointment? So my point is that the reason why an appeal can be denied can have absolutely nothing to do with the validity of an individual's claim of the need for asylum.

So going back to your original comment Paul, do you still think if people"are here illegally...then sorry they have to be deported" when the way in which our Home Office defines illegality is based on such arbitrary principles?”

“Yes, deport all the Christian's asylum seekers out of UK, keep those from Somalia, Albania, Pakistan. Let's see within 30 years, more Muslims will born in UK then Christians, then you will have an Islamic law in 50 years!”

“Yes, deport all the Christian's asylum seekers out of UK, keep those from Somalia, Albania, Pakistan. Let's see within 30 years, more Muslims will born in UK then Christians, then you will have an Islamic law in 50 years!”

“@ SJB
I haven't mentioned anything about asylum seekers being bad or send them all home. There are indeed many people in the world who aren't as comfortable as us in the UK., and there's no need to start patronising people with comments like "it may be a little heavy for you, Paul". Talking down to people is not a good trait! and not a way to win an argument, or should i say, get a point of view across. Anyway i was purely commenting on this one article which states that 1 family who have had successive appeals denied are once again appealing.”

“SJB excellent post.”

“Oh Paul, I certainly hope that the UK never experiences sufficient hardship that would put your comfortable little life in peril. Because that is what it comes down to, we are all just incredibly lucky to have been born in a country where we, theoretically, should never go hungry. We have relatively excellent health care, education, housing, human rights - the lot.

But let's try to think outside of this bubble of comfort and put yourself into the position of someone who doesn't have everything. Perhaps their lives are in danger or they don't have access to health care or whatever valid reason from the countless number of valid reasons that would motivate you to want to move somewhere else to ensure your family's safety and security. How on earth can any human being begrudge any one else of that?

This family and others in similar situations are not trying to rob the UK of anything. They are simply hoping to live happily and comfortably like pretty much every other family on the planet. Most immigrants, asylum seekers and refugees would much rather remain in their own countries, within their own culture where people speak their language, share their customs and respect them as fellow human beings however sadly due to war or a whole myriad of other reasons this is not possible.

The fact that we can on the one hand champion ourselves for our excellent human rights record whilst with the other detaining hundreds of women and children, cutting down welfare benefits to asylum seekers (that's validated and accepted cases!) to such a level that they are left in complete destitution and basically attempting to reject as many pleas for help as possible (just look at the current policy!) is completely nonsensical to me. And without even mentioning the problems that our foreign policy has contributed to (because that might be a little heavy for you, Paul), I feel we have an absolute responsibility to help out and support as many people as possible. OR at the very least allow them the rights (e.g allowing asylum seekers to work) to help themselves, which they would most probably prefer.

Facts are that pretty much no one in this country, despite having ready access to it, cares about immigration or asylum legislation. Instead they fill their heads with heavily inflated stories from dubious news outlets and pretend to actually know what they are talking about.”

“obviously i don't know the ins and outs of the case but the article does state they have had "appeals" turned down. You can't keep appealing til you get the answer you want. The fact it's taken seven years to get to this point is appalling and is obviously not good for the family who have now settled in Bristol. The whole system is a mess and needs to be sorted.”

“...it'll do, they can walk the rest of the way.”

“Send them back to Albania. Their claim for asylum was turned down and they lost their appeal against that decision. The right of judicial review in such cases should be removed. All it does is use yet more British tax payers money on behalf of people who shouldn't even be here. The British have had enough.”

“Also can I please just clarify that the Home Office determination of an Illegal immigrant is completely incorrect.

The Home Office determines someone whom is going through the correct proceedures, set by the Home Office,e.g Assylum as an Illegal immigrant until the point where the Home Office has made a decision.

This can be years if they loose your documents or in some cases wernt even aware that a visa had been issued because they have up to a four week delay in updating their records.

Giving someone the title of an Illegal immigrant when they are following the rules set by the authority and are awaiting a response is completely unjust and leads to these kind of reactions as we all use the dictionary version for the term illegal.”